Suggestion: Facial Composite Failure

The current image is good, but I'd like to suggest an actual single shot from the show where you can see both the failure and the original character◊.

I was very close to closing this thread for being a duplicate of the previous attempt, but the suggested pic's not exactly the same. I'm alright with the suggestion as long as it looks good and is legible at wiki size...that said, the current has the advantage of making clear what the actual "failure" is.

edited 17th Jun '14 11:50:06 AM by Willbyr

Eh, I am not really troubled by the double panel there, so Keep Until Better Image Suggested.

A calm expression is better. We could use the pic on "Wanted!" Poster and get something else for that or keep the current on this.

Definite Keep Until Better Image Suggested. I like the idea of him holding his picture, but the exaggerated expression hurts more than being one image helps.

Y'know, the pic on "Wanted!" Poster does do a better job of getting the "both in the same frame" across than the One Piece pic.

edited 17th Jun '14 12:29:28 PM by Willbyr

Also the Flynn one doesn't follow the template that the article claims all wanted posters follow :P

Hardly seems like a failure, though.

Um, the fact that it's a huge failure is the running gag. Look at the nose.

Here is the Tangled image in question. [1]◊ It doesn't look as significant of an error as the current. Granted, the current is a rather low quality image, but it beats the suggestions. The angry anime expression ruins it.

edited 17th Jun '14 5:49:52 PM by Rethkir

Okay... great... it's a running gag... but to someone who hasn't seen Tangled it looks like a guy is surprised to see a wanted poster about him, a poster that is overall very accurate.

I think it looks more like an error than simply a completely different style.

^^ I guess if they don't read the caption?

That's still not much of a failure.

Neither is the Sanji one IMO, although instead of containing an actual error, it just looks like the same person drawn in a different style.

I said it once, and I'll say it again: Flynn Rider is way too subtle. They only got the nose wrong. Everything rise is petty accurate. Yeah, the nose is big, butI wouldn't mistake that drawing for someone else. I would recognize him from the sign. The joke is that he is so concerned about his appearance, that he makes a big deal out of something rather small.

Ok though I feel similarly about the current. Since it's a drawing compared to a drawing, and not like a photo compared to a drawing, it just looks like a picture of him drawn by someone else, to me. All the traits (hanging cigarette, curly eyebrow, etc.) are correct but in a different style. I wouldn't mistake that poster for anyone else, either... that isn't what the trope is. The Flynn one is actually wrong. The Sanji one is just not a good enough likeness for him, apparently, and I only know that because I saw the other images where he is holding the poster and freaking out. Otherwise it just looks like it is supposed to look hand-drawn (in a world where, actually, everything is hand-drawn, so something like that would need to stand out, to "read" right), not a Failure necessarily.

Different one:

edited 18th Jun '14 3:05:34 PM by rodneyAnonymous

That's actually a lot closer to the trope, so textiness aside, I'll go with that.

Also, in that sense the OP suggestion is better than the current as well, because the suggestion shows that Sanji thinks the drawing doesn't look like him, whereas the current is just two pictures and it's left to the reader to decide it's a failure. (I think the suggestion is okay regardless of his exaggerated expression, that doesn't matter I don't think. The trope isn't that the composite drawing looks different than the subject, the trope is that someone notices the composite drawing looks different than the subject, even if it's just the audience because that's the joke.)

Current isn't bad but all the suggestions have someone in-universe protesting the likeness, which IMO is an improvement. The Tangled one does that and looks nice. Criticism of it focuses too much on how the wanted poster looks, which isn't vital actually: whether or not something is a failure is subjective, but whether or not someone has that opinion is objective. I agree that part of the gag is that Flynn makes a big deal of his appearance, but I do not agree that part of the gag is that he makes a big deal of little stuff; "completely wrong nose shape" is a pretty big error if you care about your appearance.

I think 13 (Flynn) > 17 (CPPD) > 1 (OP) > current.

Is there a good frame from Airplane! where the sketch artist turns his pad around and it's a cartoon smiley face?

edited 18th Jun '14 9:33:38 PM by rodneyAnonymous

The Tangled suggestion is someone holding up a near-photorealistic picture of himself, looking concerned. To anyone who hasn't seen the movie, it looks like he's concerned because he's found out he's a wanted criminal.

... I can't believe I'm saying this but the Order of the Stick example works really well.

edited 19th Jun '14 5:44:14 AM by Larkmarn

Going to have to agree with rodney on most of that stuff.

^^ I have no idea why the existence of the caption is being ignored. It is 100% part of the page image. He is concerned that they got his face wrong in the facial composite, which is exactly what the trope is. As far as I can tell there is no other way to read it... in the movie, it starts off looking like he might be concerned because he found out he is a wanted criminal, but then he says "They just can't get my nose right!" and makes it clear that actually he is only concerned because the picture is wrong. It's a punchline. It's important. If that exact sequence of thoughts is evoked in the person reading the page, great.

It's almost totally irrelevant how accurate the picture is. "That's still not much of a failure" is not the right measuring stick at all, that doesn't matter. This isn't about degree of error. "To anyone who hasn't seen the movie, it looks like..." is not true, that's a broad generalization from personal experience. It'd be a shame to yet again settle for a mediocre image because someone doesn't get the awesome one.

edited 19th Jun '14 2:13:43 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I prefer the Tangled pic.

I change my mind. the Tangled one works, but only with the caption.

I've not seen that film and it works very well for me.