ufotable's Fate/Stay Night

I'm not saying that's the only thing wrong with him, I'm saying that he's had significantly less trauma over his life. Anything else wrong with him is because he's really wierd.

Also, independant of anything else Sakura is just personality wise a terrible match. He's the sort of person who tries to hard to do everything and she's too passive. Their relationship would inevitably end up toxic.

I'm not a Nasuverse lore expert or anything, but the impression I got was that the Grail goo that burnt down the town did more than just cause a fire that killed his parents, it caused him to experience an almost literal Hell in a way that a normal fire wouldn't have. So Shirou basically had his mind broken by the Grail as a kid.

He's more or less lived the rest of his life feeling like an empty shell pretending to be human.

edited 5th Dec '17 11:01:14 PM by Clarste

Something tells me these people shouldn't be in a relationship at this point in their lives.

But this is anime-land so therapy & general help is nonexistent sadly.

I mean, Nasuverse lore is wierd but I never got that vibe from Shirou. He just seemed to end up like that because he wanted to be a hero and thus always pushed self-sacrifice to its absolute limits.

Nah, the grail mud didn't get to him or anything. It's just that the fire destroyed everything he was and everything he had. It left him completely empty until he latched onto the idea that saving people makes you happy and then singlemindedly pursued that goal because he had nothing else. He's has nothing (or feels that way) without his desire to save people. Whenever he tries to pursue any normal happiness, he feels terrible guilt and withdraws. He places no value on himself because he just considers himself another tool to be used in the pursuit of his ideals. Any suffering he feels isn't even a hardship to be worked through but almost completely irrelevant to him.

The thing is, though, he isn't empty inside like he thinks, so his ideal will eventually cause him to break down because he isn't acting like an actual human being. He isn't even working towards what he wants, not really. What he actually wants is for people around him to be safe and happy and the happiness of saving people, but he doesn't know why Kiritsugu was happy to have saved him and his actual methods towards fulfilling his ideals contrast with what he actually wants.

Shirou is fundamentally contradictory and broken. The best you can really say about his mental state is that he's functional in society and useful to others.

He is, as they say, the Bone of his Sword.

Has anyone else caught the HF movie too?

Yep.

Though the theater I watched it in had kind of crappy speakers, so I wasn't able to appreciate the music/sound effects as much.

Unfortunate

That's too bad because sound design was pretty strong compared to Apocrypha

How was your audience and how did you like it? My theater had good turnout and reaction was pretty good. Thankfully not too obnoxious during it, laughing and cheering appropriately except for one jackass whooping when Saber Alter showed.

We had a couple dozen people show up. They were mostly quiet... except for two scenes: Shinji's face after Rider is whalloped, and Kotomine munching on mapo tofu. Those drew some extended chuckles from the crowd (especially Kotomine).

edited 6th Dec '17 4:49:51 PM by DarkHunter

Not surprised on mapo tofu but Rider getting blown the fuck out and Shinji's reaction had my theater rolling the most, like damn

So I just found about this.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/37033/Emiya-san_Chi_no_Kyou_no_Gohan

I guess that's one way to adapt Hollow Ataraxia, or at least set the stage for it.

I actually watched that not too long ago. It looks pretty cute and I can't wait to see how many episodes it'll have.

It’s apparently monthly so it’ll be a wait

This is probably the appropriate thread

That was a really comfy watch. Great Food Porn too.

There needs to be a new remix of Emiya for it. It's the only way.

And a cooking duel between Shirou and Archer

I’m waiting for the F/GO remix of the opening with Muramasa, Ishtar, Parvati, Jaguarman and Jason (Perseus?).

edited 4th Jan '18 6:08:53 PM by raziel365

Today's Menu for Emiya Family is already airing and I'm watching the first episode.

Also the trope page needs an update.

Ah, yes, the anime I never knew I needed in my life- well, not on a conscious level, at least. xP

At some point I'll have to go looking for fansubs...

I need to go and rewatch Type-Moon's Fate anime. All I really remember from it is the "People die when they are killed!" meme. I forgot the opening was nice. I feel like I've heard the second opening on a bunch of different amateur Youtube and Newgrounds animations though.

UBW's first opening, Ideal White, is kind of meh, generic J-pop.

And Brave Shine dumps all over it. I don't know if any other opening beats it. Gives you that same rush Parasyte, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Attack on Titan's do. Feels like I'm about to watch an epic battle between mages with far more personal stakes than initially revealed. I'll never get tired of watching Berserker carry Illia on shoulder, charging at Gilgamesh.

Now I'm curious what Fate/Zero's is.

If I give this anime another shot, what order should I go on?

Fate/Zero, Type-Moon FSN, UBW film, and then whatever the new one was, and then the Apocrypha anime?

It occurs to me that my excuse of not playing the visual novels because of not having a decent PC doesn't work anymore, and the visual novels probably aren't as graphically taxing as Fallout 4 or Saints Row. I should probably buy them cheap on Steam okay they're not there?

Where do I find them?

edited 26th Jan '18 9:37:45 AM by Soble

Yeah you've pretty much got the order down, though I'm not sure what new one you're talking about? There's the cooking one that's totally extraneous, and the new Extra anime that's coming out soon.

Anyway Apocrypha and Extra are both stories set in different timelines, so there really isnt an order to watch those in. Also the Heaven's Feel movies arent finished yet.

You can find Zero and UBW on Netflix. don't bother watching the original anime or the UBW movie though, it genuinely isnt good and the anime does everything the movie does but better.

edited 26th Jan '18 9:06:55 AM by EpicBleye

I got mixed up, I was thinking about Heavens Feel.

So Fate/Zero, UBW anime, Heaven's Feel movies when they're done. That's the "best" way to watch this series.

I watched the UBW anime and didn't care for it, but I breezed through it so maybe a rewatch would help. I feel like a condensed, film version might be more enjoyable.

Apocrypha is a different timeline. Good. I kept seeing it in my Netflix queue and I was like, "good god, now I have to figure out when this takes place and if I should watch it first."

i can assure you it makes things worse, not better. the only good thing the movie really has is a really badass fight scene with Shiro... that the anime still does better.

So, Cooking with Shirou, the series?

And apparently taking place somewhere in the Hollow Ataraxia timeline.

I have no problems with this.

(Kotomine mapo dofu episode when?)

edited 26th Jan '18 11:47:04 AM by DarkHunter

Don't blame you for getting confused, the Fate series is a collosal clusterfuck with Zero, as far as I'm aware being the only one everyone can agree is at least good.

Shiro, yeah he's fucked, but from what I've seen of Sakura's life she's had to endure hell nearly everyday. Shiro's hell, if he has one, is mostly self imposed.

PS: Has Saber actually ever won an argument against anyone other than Shiro?

edited 26th Jan '18 11:49:47 AM by Archivist10