#2: May 6th 2014 at 12:32:19 AM
Honestly, I don't think this is a very new phenomenon. Many trope examples from back the time where I joined were written with opinion-pushing in mind.
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KJMackley
Since: Jan, 2001
#3: May 6th 2014 at 12:49:11 AM
Oh, I know that. It's the primary reason we created the ymmv page to begin with, along with all the new sub pages. But there are still a lot of people who think ymmv is a playground for any opinion you want to throw around, rather than being detached observations of audience reactions.
#4: May 6th 2014 at 3:22:46 AM
If anything, I think we've seen a huge decline in the acceptability of bashing tropes. (Excuse me, "tropes").
edited 6th May '14 3:23:03 AM by nrjxll
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Just something I have been thinking about. A few months ago I did an overhaul to the description of Dawson Casting, where it had gotten so massive it was repeating itself because, I believe, editors were forgetting certain points were already stated (Seriously, it was like a term paper, the current description is only about a third as long). Anyway, one thing I noticed in that trope and many others was the presence of a lot of exclamation points in the examples, where it was almost a challenge to find the most outrageous example ie "actor was 35 playing a high school freshman!" I ended up trimming a lot, putting some in analysis, and including a deliberate comment that the use of the trope is not inherently good or bad, specifically because it isn't some sort of crime if an actor is older than their character.
It got me thinking about how an objective trope like that was being used as though it was an Audience Reaction. It is about how someone responded to the use of a trope rather than just observing that the trope was used. Just the other day I removed an entry in The Big Bang Theory ymmv page of Hypocritical Humor (not a ymmv trope) that basically attacked the show for making a Seasonal Rot joke regarding Heroes. It's a more flagrant example of misuse, but still along the same lines of what I am talking about.
I'm calling it "Accusatory Tropes" because you can find it in any of the sub pages: main, ymmv, trivia, etc. Tropes that are used to attack or criticize a creative decision while hiding behind the banner of an actual trope. And on the surface they may appear legitimate but you can start to see where the example is skewed to accommodate the criticism. Some ARE flagrant misuse but others are more complicated. For example:
edited 6th May '14 12:28:20 AM by KJMackley