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This probably stems from our dislike of initialisms, but CNN is the much better known name. Heck, a lot of companies are changing their official names to match the common initialism. I'd say switch it.
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Same, really.
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Yeah, if I see Cable News Network listed somewhere, my mind assumes it's a generic news network on cable. It takes a couple seconds for it to register that it's CNN's full title (that never gets used, ever).
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^ Agreed.
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This is the least ambiguous name I've ever seen. This is the actual name of CNN.
Keep the current, as it is still the full official name.
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Agreed. It's still their official name.
For reference, Wikipedia uses CNN. No luck finding any title discussion, though.
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@7: That may be, but it's not like saying "CNN" is an unofficial name. Even they use the abbreviation in favor of the full title.
This is not like the Oscars / Academy Awards.
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Yes, you can watch CNN for 24 hours and there will be no mention of the full title. It's considerably more obscure even in terms of what the company itself uses.
Not to mention that "Cable News Network" is also much more generic-sounding than CNN. So we have two titles, equally official, one of which is unique and commonly used, the other is generic and obscure... the decision seems obvious to me.
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Yeah, I bet half the people who work at CNN don't even know what it stands for. The name is really an Artifact Title and doesn't mean much today, considering that Fox News and MSNBC are also cable news networks. It's much like how TLC stands for The Learning Channel. Change it to CNN, but keep the full name as a redirect.
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I'm going to vote change it to CNN on the basis of precedent. The other big networks that use initialisms all have their pages on the initialism, not the full official name: It's not The British Broadcasting Company, it's The BBC. It's not National Broadcasting Company, it's NBC. Same for ABC and CBS. And HBO. And MTV. And PBS... Just look at the list of networks on the index Main.Networks. Half of them are initials only. There's no reason to treat CNN any differently.
edited 8th May '14 4:14:43 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Just so everyone knows:
Main.Cable News Network
On 32 page(s).
Main.CNN
On 78 page(s).
Creator.CNN
On 12 page(s).
The redirect has more wicks than the main page. Do we have enough support to make the switch already? Support for that seems unanimous.
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Calling this one for the switch.
Please move the wicks from Main.CNN as well as from Main.Cable News Network.
edited 8th May '14 6:56:05 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.I made all redirects go to Creator.CNN, though I have not done anything the wicks.
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Calling this one in favor of the switch? Really? When Cable News Network is the name of the channel, and has been for 34 years?
I say again that this is the least ambiguous name on record. Making "CNN" a redirect would have accomplished the same goal. This rename was wholly pointless.
What is there to complain about? Nobody ever calls it Cable News Network. Nobody has in a very long time. See the other examples in post 13 for similar network abreviations as precedent. CNN was already a redirect and has more wicks. It was a simple fix. So, what's the problem?
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I don't know who we define as "nobody", beyond some of the posters in this thread, but the point is, this is the exact opposite of ambiguous. If I may pose a hoary old debate cliche, "ambiguous" means "open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning". There is only one Cable News Network, it has been in business since June 1, 1980, and Anderson Cooper works there. We are deeming as "ambiguous" and on that basis changing a name that literally could not be less ambiguous. Use of CNN as a redirect, which was already available, would have sufficed. Solution in search of a problem.
edited 8th May '14 9:32:41 PM by jamespolk
CNN is the commonly used name, though. And "not being the commonly used name" is a problem in and of itself - see also Distressed Damsel about another precedent in that regard.
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The problem is, the name we had it under is a name that is virtually never used. The fact that the thread is tagged "ambiguous" rather than "Name that is virtually never used" is not a good reason to keep a name that is virtually never used to refer to the company instead of following our own page-naming pattern.
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If CNN were still the only cable news network, I'd be more inclined to keep. As it is...
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Gave the thread a star since wick changes are all that are needed.
Wicks have been moved.
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Should the Cable News Network page be renamed CNN? Not only is the abbreviation used much more often on this site, but that's how the network refers to itself.
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