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For awhile, the enforcement of the spoiler policy was getting stepped up, then the moderators realized they had different interpretations of the policy as it was written. So Fast Eddie took a chainsaw to the policy, simplifying it. Spoiling out the entire bullet point includes hiding the name. Trope and work names cannot be hidden under the current policy.
It is recommended not to present a swiss-cheese spoilery example, to the point that Eddie has decided it is better to just have the entire example white instead. But the trope names are not allowed to be white.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.I have added "namespace", "this troper", and "not recent" messages.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"But the trope names are not allowed to be white.
Right, that part is clear in both the Spoiler Policy page and the current natterfy message for spoiler violations. It's the part about putting the entire example text after the trope name in spoiler tags that I thought was against the rules, but apparently isn't anymore.
What matters in this life is much more than winning for ourselves. What really matters is helping others win, too. - F. Rogers.Can we add a message for No Lewdness No Prudishness examples?
Having recently been the recipient of the Crosswicking message, I think it comes off a bit too enthusiastic and thus sort of condescending. I tried to think of a good rewrite for it, but couldn't really come up with a specific one.
Maybe some way of phrasing the first sentence as a "you seem to have not done this" statement (or at least getting rid of the double use of "cool") would work.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)I also would propose to rewrite the indexing message a bit, since I ahve the feeling that the current form is a bit vague:
the <Article> you made is not indexed. Wiki articles should always be indexed, which is done by adding the article to a suitable index page as a bullet point.
If you have problems with the indexing, consult How Indexing Works or this forum thread.
Thanks for helping us keep the wiki cool.
Also, the Zero-Context Example message has a broken link.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanBumping since the issues mentioned in the four posts above are not yet fixed.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanCan we have a complaining and/or gushing notifier? I've seen complaining being added sometimes when I haunt the new edits page and I really think just a plain 'The example(s) you added on Namespace/Work look like they're skirting our rules on no complaining' or some such.
I came across a duplicate example which I had to remove. Might that be a useful thing to put in?
Seems reasonable.
We don't seem to have one of these messages for adding Real Life examples in violation of No Real Life Examples, Please!. They often get inserted into other medium categories, sometimes with the excuse that they're "meta-examples."
I've also noticed that "murky example" is partially redundant with "zero context."
I would recommend to file such requests in the Edit Requests For Locked Pages thread - we have processed other changes to the messages there.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWe have? I'm not sure I could word the messages properly.
Hello. I was just looking for a Weblinks Are Not Examples message among the editing issues. Since I didn't see any one, and it's a rather recurring problem, here's my suggestion for such a message:
Greetings,
Your edit on <page> included a link toward another internet site without explicitly specifying how the example related to the trope. This go against the Weblinks Are Not Examples rule, and is considered a form of Zero-Context Example. Such links are not sufficient by themselves since the targeted Web page can change or disappear, and they also force any interested reader to leave the Wiki for another site in order to have the proper context. Please feel free to add the needed context to such an example if you encounter them.
Thanks for keeping the wiki cool.
I'll direct people to the edit requests thread in case they have fix proposals or new message proposals.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Handling Spoilers page does not forbid only these three things. It also says you should be careful when applying spoiler tags to example text but that one can't write detailed rules for what is OK and what is not. Writing spoiler tags with absolutely no concern or carefulness at all is not part of that.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman