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Ambiguous Name (titles crowner 6/30/14): George Lucas Altered Version get usage counts

 1 Gaon, Tue, 8th Apr '14 4:06:26 PM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I find the "George Lucas" part is completely accessory to this trope's meaning. The only reason it's there is because he used it once in his career. Wasn't that also the precise reason we took out "George Lucas Throwback" and changed to "Genre Throwback"? "Altered Version DVD" or "Altered Version Film" would work much better.

I do believe it's more than one movie, but yeah, I see your point. The practice neither defined his career nor was defined by him, so throwing his name onto the trope name isn't really necessary.

 3 Septimus Heap, Tue, 8th Apr '14 11:13:48 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
This has only 4 inbounds. That sounds like it's not the predefined term for this. I would like a rename.

Ecce Homo Superior
Awful name. I support a rename. (Just Altered Version would be OK.)
(it's David Bowie)
 5 Willbyr, Wed, 9th Apr '14 4:45:20 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
I think just Altered Version is too vague, although I'm at a loss right now as to how to adequately describe it without a too-verbose name.
 6 Larkmarn, Wed, 9th Apr '14 7:31:23 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Well, I'll say this. The current name made it very clear as to what it was to me.

Current name is pretty clear.

Still Re Edited Version or Re Edited Release should do the job.

edited 9th Apr '14 7:52:09 AM by Sackett

 
I think the name is overall clear enough that you can understand the meaning behind the trope even if you aren't immediately aware of why it was named after George Lucas. Kind of like I Let Gwen Stacy Die, it's a specific reference but the tone and phrasing gives you a solid idea of what the trope is. I'm not really defensive of the name, but I don't think it is doing any harm either.

If you're looking for some alternate names, you would have to give it a name that makes it distinctive from Re Cut, which is ironically helped by including George Lucas in the name. Thus a plain "Altered Version" or even "Reedited Release" don't work, because either could be confused with Re Cut and the trope is specifically about including NEW scenes and altered original scenes, not just different versions.

I'm kind of drawing a blank on a simple, catchy name that encompasses that. Refilmed Altered Version, maybe. Post Release Refilmed Version.

 9 shimaspawn, Wed, 9th Apr '14 9:36:42 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think part of the problem with this trope is that while it does happen, it's legitimately not one of the more common tropes.

edited 9th Apr '14 9:38:55 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Ecce Homo Superior
[up]Word.
(it's David Bowie)
 12 shimaspawn, Sat, 12th Apr '14 7:47:07 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
That's a related video game trope but not quite the same thing.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Retcon Video - Retroactive Continuity Video
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 14 Willbyr, Mon, 12th May '14 4:07:17 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
 15 Fighteer, Mon, 12th May '14 6:21:19 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Drag this one out in a ditch and shoot it for the awful Trope-Namer Syndrome it displays. Or at least rename it. Anything but that awful title.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 16 Larkmarn, Mon, 12th May '14 6:55:46 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
The current name is definitely Fan Myopia, but I've noticed we do allow a lot more myopia when it comes to Star Wars.

The current name is pretty obvious to a fair number of people (of course, that's exactly what Fan Myopia is, so that's not a great defense), but what makes it a biiiiiiiit better is that you don't have to personally know Star Wars, but rather just be aware of the ridiculous amount of drama that arose from the re-edits. That said, as time moves on, people are going to forget the drama. It is not a name that's going to last forever. Younger people probably never knew the significance of this stuff.

Of course, at the very least it's not going to see misuse for anything else.

So yeah. Objectively, a rename is a good idea. On a personal note, however, I do like the name and barring an excellent suggestion would probably prefer to keep it for the time being.

 17 Fighteer, Mon, 12th May '14 6:58:45 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Serial Re Release Tweaking?
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 18 Larkmarn, Mon, 12th May '14 7:08:56 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I see the current name and think, "This is a Licence To Whine, isn't it?"

My assumption from the name would've been "going back to add new special effects that weren't possible when it was first filmed". George Lucas does wear a "Han shot first" T-shirt, so it isn't like the continuity was the important change in his mind while he made the changes.

The name can easily be kept as a redirect, but if someone was searching for this while thinking about.... ElfQuest, the name doesn't help.

edited 12th May '14 10:50:45 PM by crazysamaritan

Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
 21 Shanghai Slave, Tue, 13th May '14 10:01:56 AM from YKTTW Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
concept seems more like Ninja Editing FOR WORKS.

"Author(Lucas) edits work because 'reasons' and rereleases a '<buzzword> version/cut' of it"

so Ninja Edited Re Release? if the connection makes sense?

EDIT: actually, Serial Tweaker seems closer...

Serial Tweaked Version? wait, sounds like "tweaked for the serial"...

Serial Tweakers Cut? Bonus points for George Lucas being allegedly one with how often he edits Star Wars.

edited 13th May '14 10:04:27 AM by ShanghaiSlave

Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
The Serial Tweaker aspect isn't necessarily there, even if it does apply to the Trope Namer and a few others. To emphasize it would also invite examples of Re Cut, Only Multiple Times.

Proceeding from the definition suggested on Re Cut ("the filmmaker creates new footage/audio/FX to be spliced in long after the original release... chang[ing] it... into more of a completely new product based on the original"), and considering that this shouldn't be limited to the film medium (the work I have in mind is Leonard Bernstein's Candide), I would suggest this be renamed something like Cut-and-Paste Revised Edition, though that name does risk incurring some of the pejorative air surrounding Cut-and-Paste Translation. On the other hand, "paste" might be taken to imply something weaker than this trope. Authoritative Revised Edition or Definitive Revised Edition might work better, and are closer to the "Final Revised Edition" Bernstein put on his 1989 revision of Candide (which was, of course, not the very last time someone would try to revise the show).

To me, simply recoloring the pages of a comic would not be an example of this trope, but in the same character as re-orchestrating a musical work; indeed, I see very little tropeworthiness in those, except for subjective (if sometimes persuasive) arguments that They Changed It, Now It Sucks.

edited 13th May '14 12:05:14 PM by Prfnoff

 23 Gaon, Sat, 17th May '14 10:48:47 AM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
So what are we to do with this trope, after all?
 24 Rethkir, Sun, 18th May '14 12:07:46 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
I don't realy see the problem here. George may not be the only one, and he may be known fit a lot odd other things as well, but he is rather infamous for this practice, hence The Dog Shot First is named after this.

 25 Gaon, Sun, 18th May '14 12:23:29 PM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The problem is his name is 100% accessory to the trope's name. Movie Altered Version, Retconned Re Release and a number of other titles fit it much better. Like I said, it's the same reason George Lucas Throwback was named to Genre Throwback. His name was accessory to the trope's name.

Alternative Titles: George Lucas Altered Version
30th Jun '14 12:32:33 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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