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Best Anti-Vampire Weapon EVER!!!... if the laws of physics let it work:

 1 deadpool 616, Sun, 16th Feb '14 3:43:00 AM Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
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Hollow point bullets with garlic in the hole in the round, kept there by a strong adhesive. Good idea?
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 2 Best Of, Mon, 17th Feb '14 6:36:19 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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This thread might be better suited for YF but I won't move it if it starts getting replies here.
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 3 Achaemenid, Mon, 17th Feb '14 6:42:06 AM from the dear green place. Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Or World Building?

I could well be incorrect, but the garlic might ruin the aerodynamic profile of the hollowpoint round, limiting it's accuracy. It could also just fall off and gum up the mechanism of the weapon. You could ask in the Gun Thread, which is a veritable cornucopia of firearms knowledge; I think Tuefel Hunden used to be an armorer or something like that in the US Marines, he'll probably know.
Hmmm...
That's nowhere near the best anti vampire weapon, you should look into sunlasers or something. They have the added bonus of not stinking up the battlefield.

 5 Kayeka, Mon, 17th Feb '14 9:12:14 AM from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
I'm pretty sure that, according to the "usual" lore (for as far as there is such a thing concerning vampires), garlic isn't actually dangerous to vampires. They just really, really don't like it. Such bullets would probably annoy them, but hardly a kill.
 6 joesolo, Mon, 17th Feb '14 9:15:16 AM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
@deadpool "The titular character of Hellboy fights most demonic creatures using a big honking gun (forged from a church bell, no less) with ammunition comprising of glass bullets filled with "holy water, clover leaf, silver shavings, white oak... the works." "

I think he's got you beat, so long as the white oak counts for staking. tongue

edited 17th Feb '14 9:15:43 AM by joesolo

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 7 pagad, Mon, 17th Feb '14 9:36:38 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
I saw Only Lovers Left Alive on Friday, in which a vampire commissions a bullet made out of super-dense wood in a regular brass case (I forget the specific wood in question, but it would be dense enough to sink in water). No idea if it'd actually work.
 8 tricksterson, Mon, 17th Feb '14 9:43:41 AM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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 9 Pykrete, Mon, 17th Feb '14 3:59:05 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
There's always Underworld's sunlight bulletsPFFFHAHAHAHA [lol]

Oh God I can't even type that with a straight face.

 10 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 17th Feb '14 4:43:11 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
The op mentioned bullet could work. There are a number of options.

You would likely need a hardwood like say Iron Wood for example.

The Garlic content could be done any number of ways. A blob of garlic paste under polymer seal.

Garlic powder with a binder agent injected into the cavity.

You could soak the interior of the cavity in garlic oil or even seal some up behind a polymer cap.

Now the real problem happens when you start to consider the power of the cartridge overall. Wood isn't going to take a lot of abuse from high power loads without a risk of the bullet fragmenting in the barrel and/or causing a jam or barrel stoppage. There were some hollow wooden rounds made for the 6.5mm Mauser rifle but they are meant for very close range use.

So you are unlikely to see magnum loads, high power rifle, high power shotgun etc. The bullet will suffer a lot of friction, heat, and pressure as it goes down the barrel and I would dare say it would increase the carbon deposit in the barrel from the surfaces being rapidly heated by the powder and friction with the barrel.

The other problem is even the most dense woods are rather very light compared to an all metal bullet and will be more prone to cross winds and deflection. Even light body armor will be sufficient to stop wooden bullets. They would break up rather easily. Heavy or hard body armor will laugh off wood bullets. Even most light cover will stop the bullets or cause their effectiveness to drop dramatically. The rounds will have poor kinetic energy compared to metal bullets.

Black powder cartridges and most modern pistol cartridges should work ok but don't expect great performance.

A possible alternative would be a wood ballistic cap on a metal hollow point similar to polymer caps with just a little space under the base of the cap for your chosen form of garlic. The rest of the bullet would be metal. It would have better ballistics and higher power cartridges would work better. The tip would still break up easily but the metal body behind it would likely smash the tip material into the target.
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 11 Rem, Mon, 17th Feb '14 5:30:00 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I hate to be that guy, but wouldn't the garlic/holy water/whatever be unnecessary? Seeing as how you're shooting the sucker?

Granted, depending on the canon this might not actually be lethal, but it's not exactly something one shrugs off.
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 12 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 17th Feb '14 5:33:08 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I'd imagine the reason to include it would be a make sure. If the initial wound itself isn't severe enough the addition of the toxin can only make things worse.

Kind of like using poisoned arrows. It may make a difference. It would also depend on how garlic affects said vampire.
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 13 tricksterson, Mon, 17th Feb '14 7:42:38 PM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Never Trust
Doesn't Hellboy's gun have loads like this?

Btw, why "if the laws of physic let it work"? We're talking frikkin' vampires! The laws of physics (or at least of biology) are already bent out of whack.
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 14 Nohbody, Mon, 17th Feb '14 7:58:54 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
I hate to be that guy, but wouldn't the garlic/holy water/whatever be unnecessary? Seeing as how you're shooting the sucker?

One of the common characteristics of vampires in general is that they can take an enormous amount of damage from conventional weaponry. Rounds that somehow incorporate silver, wood, or garlic (or any combination thereof) are more likely to do effective damage than plain old FMJ or regular hollow point rounds.
 15 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 17th Feb '14 8:02:50 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Slowly dying on the inside
If you're really hunting vampires, wouldn't you be better off with phosphorous rounds, or those 'dragon's breath' shotgun rounds? Fire is traditionally a major weak point to vampires.
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Or, you know... invest in a good crossbow. Automatic stake, coat in garlic: Bob's your uncle.
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 17 demarquis, Mon, 17th Feb '14 8:11:31 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Seems to me if garlic is a vampire game-changer, it would be way more effective to just make a vaccine out of it, and save yourself the trouble of shooting them all. It would be like the March of Dimes, except for Vampires.

edited 17th Feb '14 8:11:48 PM by demarquis

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 18 drunkscriblerian, Mon, 17th Feb '14 8:17:52 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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@wood bullets: the only wood I know that is likely tough enough to be fired from a gun is lignum vitae. You could make a spitzer bullet (the pointy rifle kind) from that stuff and give it a lead core so it'd fly straight. Load the cartridge with a subsonic charge (make sure there's enough oomph left to work the bolt!) and hey presto, a fully automatic vampire killer.

@stuffed hollowpoints: I researched this for one of my novel projects and apparently stuffed hollowpoints are kinda unreliable; people have tried this with a lot of different substances and gotten wildly varying results. If you write a world where vampires are vulnerable to garlic, a better delivery system might be garlic oil in an industrial spray-system; the coverage of a flamethrower without the legal headaches.

Just my two pennies here.
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I'm gonna have to second white phosphorus, as well as explosive rounds in general. If I shoot you in the chest with a copper-tipped shell from a Mossberg 500 Persuader shotgun, your lungs and heart, as well as most of your spinal cord, are going to be on the opposite wall behind you. In the room behind you. Though you'll still be able to see them through the hole in the wall this room just got.

Vampire immunities are amazing in a medieval setting, but in the days of .50 cal machine guns and C4 they're not that much to write home about. Big enough kaboom kills anything.
 20 pagad, Tue, 18th Feb '14 12:49:53 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
the only wood I know that is likely tough enough to be fired from a gun is lignum vitae.

I think that's the one, actually.
betaalpha
Sounds like something the Shadowrun folks would have written entire sourcebooks about :)

[up][up]Very true, though the DM (or storyteller or whatever) can just blanket decide that vampires are either completely unharmed by conventional rounds and even nuclear explosions, or just heal from everything including outright disintegration in seconds. Similarly, technological advantages can be balanced out in that the more 'processed' the weapon is, the less damage it does. So stakes and whole medieval-farmed garlic cloves stuffed in the mouth will instakill a vampire, arrows and minced garlic do markedly less damage, while wood or garlic-filled FMJ rounds do scratch damage. I'm sure there's a trope for that :)

edited 18th Feb '14 3:13:54 AM by betaalpha

 22 Fighteer, Tue, 18th Feb '14 7:38:17 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I find the idea of Depleted Phlebotinum Shells used to deal with supernatural creatures to cheapen the impact of them in your world. You have to either escalate the creatures' powers and capabilities to respond to the firepower deployed against them, or turn them into a Zerg Rush.

edited 18th Feb '14 7:39:00 AM by Fighteer

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 23 Blue Ninja 0, Tue, 18th Feb '14 8:00:22 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Slowly dying on the inside
garlic oil in an industrial spray-system; the coverage of a flamethrower without the legal headaches. - Drunkie
That sounds like an awesome idea. Wonder why no one's ever used it before? Though it is a little target-specific; a wooden bolt/bullet will also work on the vamp's pets, while garlic spray won't.
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yarr
Garlic's not all that common a weakness these days, for some reason.
Hmmm...
Probably because its seriously kind of lame. Other vampire weaknesses are things like "a stake through the heart" or "being set on fire" that would kill a human anyway.

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