Misused (titles crowner 6/16/14): Least Common Pizza Topping

OK, then, a quick and dirty rough draft, cutting the extraneous Example As Thesis at the beginning:

A gag in which a character orders food, then specifically asks that a certain ingredient be excluded: an ingredient that is not commonly found or ordered in that food to begin with.

A common use of this joke is with pizza and anchovies: characters will specifically ask for "no anchovies," as if failing to do so would inevitably cause them to appear on the pizza — highly unlikely.

Hatred for certain pizza toppings (or food additions) in general probably falls under Stock "Yuck!" or Does Not Like Spam.

Anything I'm missing? Here's what else I plan to do:

1) Cut all non-conforming examples. This would include all of the Real Life section.

2) Start an Image Pickin' thread now that it Does Not Illustrate.

3) Start a single prop crowner to ask if the name should be changed in light of the definition tightening.

Further thoughts?

Rename crowner. Requesting hooking from mod, and feedback on above questions.

Crowner's hooked.

Given how the crowner is leaning so far, and the utter and complete lack of commentary on my rewrite above, I'm going to pave the way for a quite probable rename effort by implementing my rewrite. If anyone has a problem with that, you should've said something long ago. (So there. :))

Any more s on the rename?

I'm bumping this- you've clearly all come so far, now we just need a new name.

I propose Unsoliticed Anchovy Phobia or Unsolicited Pizza Topping Phobia- the irrational fear that somebody is going to give you a pizza topping you didn't ask for.

What about Hold The Non Ingredient?

FTW

@56: Considering that we've agreed to redefine the trope to cover all food, I don't think the title should only mention Pizza. 57 is a good one.

57 sounds good.

Suggestion: Hold The Nonstandard Ingredient. what's being specifically mentioned is often a legitimate ingredient; it's just not one that you'd get without asking for it. Hold The Non Ingredient sounds like it narrower — that what they're asking to be held is something that isn't an ingredient at all.

edited 15th Jun '14 7:41:37 PM by Madrugada

I dunno, people don't generally call something an ingredient unless they're talking about a recipe that has it. If I was making a pepperoni and sausage pizza, and someone asked me if pineapple was an ingredient, I'd tell them, "No." The more technically correct answer would have been, "Yes, pineapple is an ingredient, but it is not one of the ingredients in this particular pizza," but a simple "No" conveys the same point much more quickly.

edited 16th Jun '14 12:37:37 AM by RavenWilder

I'm with Madrugada on this one. Hold The Non Ingredient sounds like you're talking about something a Cordon Bleugh Chef would put in a recipe. It's probably workable as a title, though (although at the risk of stating the obvious, it should probably be formatted with a hyphen).

So the crowner's tied between Hold The Non Ingredient and Hold The Nonstandard Ingredient. What are we supposed to do in a situation like this?

Wait for more votes. Not quite enough of them.

Unsolicited Ingredient Phobia then? Or Hold the Unsolicited Ingredient?

I think Unsolicited is a better word than "non-standard" because there's two meanings to the latter 1) there is a standard format and the ingredient is not part of that standard e.g. tomato sauce is standard on a pizza, pineapple is not- this is what we are going for 2) it's an unusual ingredient - this is what I think most people will interpret it as.

Hold the Unsolicited Ingredient gets my vote.

Duly added to the crowner.

So this trope is meant to be asking for something that wouldn't normally be included to not be included? My history teacher the other day had a list of books for me, and when reading aloud the authors' names to write down there was one called Deborah Brown. She said "Brown without an 'e'", and I'm there thinking I wouldn't have added an 'e', anyway, but a little help on the Deborah might have been in order (Debora, Debra, Deborah?).

Depending on where you live, the last name Browne is more common than Brown. Your encounter with your teacher would not be an example.

It looks like Hold the Unsolicited Ingredient is the winner. Should we go ahead and rename this sucker?

Needs a few more votes.

Yeah, it's close but not close enough.

Re: the proposed titles, "unsolicited" just means "not asked for", so saying "hold the not asked for ingredient" doesn't make sense but also isn't the trope. "Hold the unusual/uncommon ingredient" is better (and are you keeping the food analogy?)

I also read a Troper Tale up there about "Brown(e)" - even if with an 'e' is more common in some places, it clearly wasn't wherever that troper's from and given the context of the first name which is commonly spelt many different ways then it is the kind of thing that describes the trope better than pizza. I'd suggest a title more like that ("Smith without an E" maybe shows it better) if not for fear of it being confused with Spell My Name With An S (which someone would, I expect).

Ah but, speaking very roughly, not being asked for is the issue of the trope and being uncommon or unusual isn't. When I order a Hawaiian pizza, I have solicited pineapple and ham and tomato sauce but not pepperoni, the order does not call for pepperoni but yet I insist they hold the pepperoni (which is a common, usual pizza ingredient) while happily accepting pineapple (which is an uncommon, unusual pizza ingredient).

Edit: OK, we're long pass the clock date, it's been ten days since the last idea was put on the crowner, the votes aren't relatively close, they've been stable for about four days and there aren't that many people on this so I don't see where new votes are going to be coming from. All the systems we put in place to say that we should do the rename now so that the thread doesn't drop off into oblivion again and tie up the space in the repair shop, those are saying we rename it now.

I have renamed it and gone through the wicks. For a number of the misuses I put in an entry for Stock "Yuck!". I also created a subpage for Stuck Yuck.Anchovies with a direct link on some pages. This should help divert some of the old misuse.

edited 14th Jul '14 5:14:02 PM by SomeSortOfTroper