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I personally don't think this is true and most people that do (Particularly magazine authors that declare the next generation to be horrible, yet it's been something that's happened generation upon generation) are over sensitive, but I was wondering. Do anyone on OTC think kids are brattier today then they were in the 90's and before?
edited 19th Jan '14 3:30:21 PM by Demongodofchaos2
It's hard to say whether kids are legitimately worse than when we were young. Every generation feels like the ones following them are worse than they were. That's a pretty standard feeling, because we view our childhood with Nostalgia Filter. I'm not so sure the issue is kids being bigger brats as it is parents being less and less willing to rein in their children's behavior. There is a certain level of acting out that is to be expected of a child learning to stop being a frothing, self-centered, predatory man-ape and become a contributing member of society, but when parents allow man-ape behavior to go unchecked, we get entitled, spoiled brats that legitimately believe this is an acceptable way to be. However, this has been true of all generations, and it's hard to say whether it's really more commonplace today than it was 20 or 30 years ago, or if that's just the generational Nostalgia Filter kicking in.
edited 20th Jan '14 7:36:22 AM by TobiasDrake
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It's most definitely the generational Nostalgia Filter. We always imagine ourselves to be better behaved than our children were. Now, in my son's case, I know full well that he's hyperactive due to his ADHD (diagnosed and successfully treated; this isn't imaginary), but he's as sweet and sensitive as can be in his calm mode. Raising him is a bit like taming a wild beast, though. You have to let him make his own mistakes and give him room to be himself.
edited 20th Jan '14 7:54:38 AM by Fighteer
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Another factor is that standards of behavior simply change over time. I think modern society places less of a premium on deference to authority than society of 50+ years ago. Of course kids of today will seem like "brats" if you judge them by the former standards: and so will adults of today.
I'd say it's the opposite. Thanks to video games and television the kids have less time to exhibit bad behaviour.
a child learning to stop being a frothing, self-centered, predatory man-ape and become a contributing member of society, but when parents allow man-ape behavior to go unchecked, we get entitled, spoiled brats that legitimately believe this is an acceptable way to be.Since crime is still on decline and our societies have become more caring, it's safe to say that the opposite is true and kids(or rather the adults they became) were bigger brats in the past.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - The Clouds by Aristophanes, ~400 BC.
edited 20th Jan '14 8:05:20 AM by Iaculus
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Not my nephews. I know everyone says this but they are flipping angels. My cousins on the otherhand...
Definitely not. This is probably one of the most well-behaved generations yet, at least in the Western world. If anything it's the parents who are getting too soft and not teaching their children how hard the real world sometimes is, but that's a different story altogether. Now if you wanna read about some REAL brats, then you need to do some reading about how big of an issue juvenile delinquency was for many European and American cities (ESPECIALLY London) back in the 1600s to late 1800s. There was this vicious cycle of abandoned kids forming their own little gangs, growing up, becoming extremely mal-adjusted adults who do nothing but commit crime and cause a ruckus to the community, and then have their own kids who they often abandon as well and thus start the cycle all over again. Most attempts at discipline failed, since by the time the government began paying attention to them they were already set in their ways and beliefs and largely viewed the government and it's successful subjects as an enemy.
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Most of my points have already been covered here, especially Iaculus's quote:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - The Clouds by Aristophanes, ~400 BC.I'd just like to add that sociologists have actually studied this idea and found that, in general, the world today is a lot better than it was in The Good Old Days.
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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - The Clouds by Aristophanes, ~400 BC.It was already old when he said it: "We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control." - Attributed to an ancient Egyptian tomb carving, ~ 2000 BC.
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@topic, if stories from my Great-Grandmother about her childhood are true, then no, they aren't.
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Nope. Just that customs are changing. We have different ways to do things. I think I am rather well behaved, psychological problems aside.
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Keep in mind responsibility changes with the times. Was a time responsibility meant supporting your wife and kids at 15. Then it meant being able to purchase a house and car in your 20s. Now it means learning not to put your personal info on the Internet by the time you're 10 (think how scammers prey on older, tech-illiterate generations). Different times, different technologies, different threats, different precautions.
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Isn't it so that every new generation is described as bratty, lazy etc. in comparison to the then-current old generation? Frankly, I question that today's kids are worse than any previous.
Frankly, I intend to set forth hard rules when my son starts to get into online gaming that if he turns into one of those "1337 haxxor gamerz" who screams profanities into his headset when someone frags him, he's losing all computer privileges until he's out of high school.
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I don't think that will help stop a potential problem, I feel that such an extreme example could only make it worse.
The world is inherently chaotic no amount of religion, conspiracy or wishful thinking will change that, accept it, and move on.
I perhaps exaggerate slightly. I do intend to show him by example that you can play online without turning into a screaming monster.
Indeed you can. The profanity can easily stay under your breath while you use voice chat to actually be witty :P
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Any bratty thing children does today were things children were doing in the past. So no.
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Nope. Every generation thinks this and I don't really see much evidence of it. Kids are brats in general a lot of the time but it's not any worse than before.
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Kids are kids, adults are adults. It's true today and I expect it's been true for a while now. Kids learn from adults, grow and change and assimilate and become...adults, in their own way. And when today's kids become tomorrow's adults - and today's adults become tomorrow's oldsters - I suspect who is learning and who is teaching will undergo a reversal. You know, like it has happened before.
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Do anyone on OTC think kids are brattier today then they were in the 90's and before?They are in China if my GF is to believed. The 'Little Emperor' syndrome is real thing apparently.
It still comes down to how much parents are willing to rein in their children's obnoxious behaviour. When your child throws a tantrum (I doubt there is a single child who never throws one) and you give in, you send him/her the message that throwing a tantrum is an efficient way to get what he/she wants. How could a child who receives this message feel but entitled to whatever he/she wants?
edited 24th Jan '14 5:39:46 AM by Khudzlin
China has a unique situation with the one child policy and traditional values about having children. I don't really think that can be applied to anywhere else in the world.