Gentleman Troper!So Token Good Teammate, really?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
I think what shima is describing is Token Good Teammate. But I definitely think "The Heart, but evil" is also a thing (with The Heart being defined as the glue that holds the good guys together). Maybe it crosses over with Token Good Teammate and Morality Pet on occasion, but it doesn't have to.
edited 18th Mar '14 1:02:08 PM by Discar
Isn't the glue that holds a villainous team together usually the Big Bad?
Agree with above, I feel like whatever Dark Heart would be is covered by Morality Pet, Token Good Teammate, and The Heart itself.
It's probably more important / simpler to sort out what The Dark Chick / Token Evil Female would be. I cleaned up most of the egregious stuff in the current description of Dark Chick already. What else could we do to make this a better trope.
edited 18th Mar '14 4:14:09 PM by acrobox
A lot of the ambiguity might come from the ton of Zero Context Examples
Gentleman Troper!Well, the main problem with The Dark Chick has been that people haven't realized it's supposed to be the counterpart of The Chick, and instead take the name literally. If we split off The Dark Heart, that will run into exactly the same problem.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
The Heart is defined as the moral centre of an ensemble - nowhere in the description does it say that they must be a part of the heroes' ensemble. So, yeah, a moral centre for villainous team is probably covered by Token Good Teammate already.
^ agree with above. So what about Dark Chick / Token Evil Female clean up. Anyone familiar with Zero Context Examples to take them out or flesh them out?
May I suggest that if we split the pages we avoid the one-line definition as I often see in many newly-implemented tropes lately?
the discussion is leaning towards Dark Heart being Not Trope Worthy despite the votes. There's not eve and description of what it would be, the name was just brought up once. I dont think a split is necessary if we clean up the Zero Context Examples from Dark Chick
edited 4th Apr '14 6:37:59 PM by acrobox
With Mod Hat OnCalling this one for the split into Token Evil Female and The Dark Heart.
Then if I sum up: Token Evil Female is just there to fill in the obligatory slot of an evil "vagina" in a sausage-fest of villains. Often quite flat and passive, usually prone to getting into a Designated Girl Fight or to perform a High Heel-Face Turn. The Dark Heart is more developped and her main purpose is to hold the villains together and handle most daily tasks but she fully agrees with their ways and goals and is much less likely to perform a High Heel-Face Turn. Did I get the basic tropes right?
Ecce Homo SuperiorYou know, I'd like to see examples of The Dark Heart (as defined here , for example) before I'm certain that it is a trope and not just us trying to force parallelism with Five-Man Band. Actually, nobody has to to waste their time digging up examples just to please me, since I don't really do much for this wiki nowadays. It just strikes me that I can't think of any works with an ensemble of bad guys where there is a character who might fit The Dark Heart. The villains usually tend to be completely self-centred and goal-oriented, with the exception of the Token Good Teammate if such a one exists.
(it's David Bowie)
There aren't any examples that wouldn't already be Morality Pet, Token Good Teammate or just The Heart but on the bad guys side. It is forcing parallelism.
There's nothing on The Heart page as it is that forces it to indicate someone who's on the good guys team. There can be caring people on the bad guys team without a separate trope.
In theory, The Heart could be used that way. In practice, it's used purely as "the moral center of the good guys."
all it takes to change in practice is a few examples on this wiki
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