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Not Thriving: Ice Breaker get usage counts

 1 Larkmarn, Tue, 17th Dec '13 6:52:01 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
For such a ubiquitous trope, 16 wicks is... just sad. It isn't helped by the fact that the name... well, doesn't sound like a freezing attack as the colloquial "conversation starter."

Personally, as a rule, I find trope names that that can have multiple meanings can be an issue so we might want to consider a rename.

This is a Ridiculously Similar Trope to Literally Shattered Lives.

Even if we take it as a valid subtrope and not The Same but More Specific, it's not as if Literally Shattered Lives is bursting with examples. Having the ice variant as its own page doesn't accomplish anything useful, and the larger trope is too ingrained now for Ice Breaker to gain a foothold—all the wicks are taken.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 3 Septimus Heap, Tue, 17th Dec '13 11:40:23 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Literally Shattered Lives is actually about a person's body shattering to pieces after solidifying. It doesn't happen just with freezing.

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And that means what? When the claim is that the pages are Ridiculously Similar as stands and neither one has enough examples to require the split.

But hold on there. The major paragraph of the article doesn't talk about the Literally Shattered Lives version at all, but merely 'freeze something and it becomes brittle enough to shatter' in general:
In fiction, this miraculous ability of cold to turn rubber balls into shrapnel bombs is, naturally, turned Up to Eleven. Simply encasing a thing in ice or freezing it to the point that frost forms on the surface is often treated as enough to make steel bars shatter with a dramatic kick.

edited 18th Dec '13 12:06:49 AM by Stratadrake

 5 Larkmarn, Wed, 18th Dec '13 5:28:37 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, this has significant overlap, but it's not the same.

For example, you can freeze a lock so you can smash it. That's Ice Breaker, but not Literally Shattered Lives.

Alternatively, you can be turned to stone and then shattered. That's Literally Shattered Lives, but not Ice Breaker.

Significant overlap, but neither is a sub/supertrope.

 6 Willbyr, Wed, 18th Dec '13 5:48:51 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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It's The Same but More Specific, and anyone who's familiar with the common meaning of "ice breaker" is going to get confused. I'm generally not a lumper, but I think this can be safely rolled into Literally Shattered Lives and that trope be soft-split into stone and ice variants.
 7 Septimus Heap, Wed, 18th Dec '13 5:51:03 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Fixed the tag. Much of the examples seem to be Literally Shattered Lives, but the definition isn't at all.

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It's The Same but More Specific, and anyone who's familiar with the common meaning of "ice breaker" is going to get confused
LSL has the additional connotations associated with being a Death Trope that Ice Breaker in general does not, though the second half still applies.

edited 18th Dec '13 11:04:57 AM by Stratadrake

Hmm, on second glance, there are at least ten-ish inanimate object examples in the list, which isn't unreasonable—it would be enough to launch it if it were a YKTTW draft. I can buy that as distinction as tropable, or at least open for discussion as such. (There's nonlethal (single-limb) examples too, but I consider those a textbook case of a Downplayed Trope—it's fundamentally the same tactic, just on a smaller scale. Very easily lumpable.)

Looking at some of the related tropes, it's possible that it's merely suffering from a lack of proper crosswicking. Literally Shattered Lives and Kill It with Ice are very closely related, but they lack cross-referencing. Most of the examples on the page aren't crosswicked either.

I am not at all worried about the name being mistaken for the idiomatic conversational usage. The meaning should be very clear from the context.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
[up]How cute, you expect tropers to bother with context. I don't think there's a high potential for it to be actively misused; I do think there's a high potential for the name to contribute to underuse through unintuitiveness, though crosslinking could help with that.

edited 23rd Dec '13 9:52:32 PM by MorganWick

 11 Willbyr, Fri, 24th Jan '14 4:01:46 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 12 Willbyr, Tue, 28th Jan '14 6:13:16 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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