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Ambiguous Name: Nose Yodeling get usage counts

 1 Alucard, Wed, 11th Dec '13 12:52:56 AM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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I saw this one being crafted in YKTTW. The name came from some fellow who used it as an in-joke. If you look at the quotes page that I added, you'll see that the more commonly-accepted term is "Yarling" (many professional rock artists use it). I'd like to add that the opening paragraph acknowledges the term: I didn't add that, it was added by a troper named Sky Hedgehogian Maestro, independent of me. I'm not the only one who thinks this is a bad name.

A major problem with the current name is that it implies nasally singing, which this trope can happen without. On the other hand, the defined "R" noise is pretty-much key in singing this way (it's a bit hard to explain without an audial example).

Jack Endino's reputation in the grunge scene gives him more than enough clout to be naming this "singing" technique. He goes into a pretty worth-while explanation on what defines it, exactly. You'll note that non-grunge singers have taken to using the term, and in other cases it's been referred to as "Seattle Singing."

edited 13th Dec '13 3:07:15 PM by Alucard

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 2 Grounder, Thu, 12th Dec '13 6:16:36 AM Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Perhaps I'm a bit too Literal-Minded, but I thought about literally yodeling out of your nose.

edited 12th Dec '13 6:16:44 AM by Grounder

 3 Alucard, Mon, 16th Dec '13 12:58:54 AM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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So, under one of the usages, someone claims that on the earlier albums by Avenged Sevenfold, their vocalist sings this way.

The fact of the matter is that he has a truly nasally-sounding voice at all points in their career, but I can tell quite plainly that he doesn't sing this way at all. He lacks the heavy "R" sound with his vocals.

And that right there is a good reason why this name is awful. This trope really has very little to do with nasally singing. Trope Decay, essentially. I'd even argue based on the description that the person who launched this had little knowledge of the "technique."

I'd also like to add that there are two quotes. Not good so far; it seems like no one bothers to take care of this page.

edited 2nd Feb '14 10:42:57 PM by Alucard

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 4 Another Duck, Mon, 16th Dec '13 3:01:58 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Just gonna point out that it's never a good sign for the trope name when the description start out with, "Nose Yodeling, more commonly known as yarling..." If it's more commonly known as that, why isn't the page called that?
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 5 shimaspawn, Mon, 16th Dec '13 8:26:34 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Because the current page title was an in joke the page's author and some friends used. Or they just didn't know what it was called.

edited 16th Dec '13 8:27:28 AM by shimaspawn

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 6 Septimus Heap, Mon, 16th Dec '13 8:32:21 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Fixed the tag.

 7 Alucard, Tue, 7th Jan '14 1:30:24 PM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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So are we in agreement that the current name should go?
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 8 Willbyr, Tue, 7th Jan '14 3:23:27 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] No...only 7 posts in this thread does not equal consensus for action. I for one have heard both "nose yodeling" and "yarling" used for this type of singing, almost interchangeably, and have no real issue with the name although I won't raise a stink if it eventually does get renamed.
 9 Twentington, Tue, 7th Jan '14 3:57:50 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
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I, too, thought the name was literally about yodeling. I would suggest a name change too. No reason to Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp".
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 10 Alucard, Tue, 7th Jan '14 4:49:38 PM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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[up][up]Would you mind telling me where you've seen the current name being used? I was under the impression that it originated from this wiki.
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 11 Willbyr, Tue, 7th Jan '14 6:23:30 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] *does some Googling*

Well, this is interesting...I find lots of instances for yarling but nothing for nose yodeling aside from our links here and one from a TVT ripoff. I know I've seen that term before, long before I came across it here...but if it can't be sourced then that shoots my argument out from under me.

Now, that being said, we still don't have enough consensus right now to make the change. A single-prop crowner would be a good idea.
 12 Sel Melvins, Mon, 27th Jan '14 9:38:20 PM from Cyberdelic USA Relationship Status: Robosexual
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There is no evidence this has ever been called 'nose yodeling.' The -only- other term I've ever heard for this type of singing is "underbite rock" and that is from Mark Arm of Mudhoney off the Metal Evolution series, only once. Even on that show, most grungers (including Arm) admit that 'yarling' is the accepted term.

This is another vote to change the trope name.
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 13 Willbyr, Tue, 28th Jan '14 6:17:23 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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I've hooked a single-prop crowner.
 14 Alucard, Tue, 28th Jan '14 6:41:03 AM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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[up][up]Funny, I'm the one who added that Mark Arm term in the Quotes page.

Glad the crowner's up.
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 15 Alucard, Fri, 31st Jan '14 11:40:13 PM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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So, is 13 votes in favor a good enough amount?

I could've sworn it was at 14 earlier. If someone has a problem with the re-name, they should say what it is. Otherwise it's not really a true consensus.
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[tup] If 14 is the minimum amount, then you have it. Please change it to 'yarling.'
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...yeah, that's pretty damn unanimous.

 18 shimaspawn, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 2:13:04 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Calling crowner. Rename passes.
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So, how exactly does one go about actually renaming the trope? I'd do it myself if I knew how...

 20 Alucard, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 4:20:07 PM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Create a link, and re-write the description?
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 21 Willbyr, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 6:36:07 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Does anyone have a suggestion other than Yarling?
I don't see a need for one. I just did a Google search and all the hits on the first page are for how we would be using it, except where it is being used as a proper name for people and places. I suppose we could use something bit clunkier like Yarling Singing Style if people think that "Yarling" by itself is to opaque.

 23 Willbyr, Tue, 4th Feb '14 3:19:40 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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"Yarl Singing" would be less concise than "Yarling" but is a little more clear and more concise than "Yarling Singing Style". I also thought about "Gratuituous R-nunciation" but that might be worse.
 24 Alucard, Sat, 8th Feb '14 10:10:50 PM from Vancouver, BC Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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I feel like I should point out that "Yarling" is a verb. Yarling Singing Style is pretty much the same as calling Good Old Fisticuffs Punching Fighting Style. I'm not sure if Yarl works as a noun, but Jack Endino calls the users "Yarlers."

I also feel like I should point out that the page has too many quotes. I think now is as good a time as any to pick one.

edited 9th Feb '14 12:18:50 AM by Alucard

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I'm just trying to replicate the logic behind names like Ryokan (inn) and Shonen (Demographic).

Personally I think Yarling all by itself would be fine.

EDIT PS: As for quotes, neither of them really seem to convey the trope to me.

edited 8th Feb '14 11:57:31 PM by Catbert

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