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Duplicate Trope: Arsenal Attire get usage counts

 1 the Adept Rogue, Tue, 10th Dec '13 7:40:50 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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This page is a big mess, but the most glaringly obvious problem about this is that this is pretty much the same as Clothing Combat, with both basically boiling down to "weaponized outfit". Arsenal Attire itself states to be "sometimes a subtrope" to Clothing Combat, which confuses things further

One could possibly argue that Clothing Combat is when the clothing is used as Improvised Weapon, and that this trope comes into play when the clothing is used as a deliberately hidden regular weapons, but frankly, the description of either pages are very poorly written - Arsenal Attire is a bunch of Example as a Thesis, and Clothing Combat is basically a Laconic plus a list of Subtropes. And looking at the YKTTW archive, both tropes were launched with only 1 hat.

edited 10th Jan '14 7:47:12 AM by theAdeptrogue

 2 Larkmarn, Tue, 10th Dec '13 8:15:43 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Clothing Combat honestly seems to be the worse page to me, because it barely bothers defining itself. Well, it says it's an Improvised Weapon, but Armed Legs, for example, is almost always deliberate.

Arsenal Attire seems to be about concealed weapons disguised as clothes. The description is... needlessly example-y, but it's pretty clear what it is.

 3 Septimus Heap, Tue, 10th Dec '13 8:20:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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To be frank, the description of Arsenal Attire sucks. And as for the distinction that Larkmarn mentions, I wonder how many examples actually comply with it.

 4 Larkmarn, Tue, 10th Dec '13 9:00:14 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
My guess? Not many. Even if the definitions are distinct, the names are essentially synonyms.

 5 Shanghai Slave, Tue, 10th Dec '13 9:08:40 PM from YKTTW Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
what Larkmarn said @2. but how i read it, the inclusion of Armed Legs seems to be based on interpreting it solely (haha) as if it's about "foot/legwear used as weapons". seems to be a common problem on old tropes.

Arsenal Attire really is about equipment disguised as mundane clothing.

i'd be redundant if i go further, but i suggest keeping both and fixing them(or send em back to YKTTW) but rename Arsenal Attire to... something. weaponry or arsenal doesn't really cover armor AFAIC.

edited 10th Dec '13 9:09:09 PM by ShanghaiSlave

Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
 6 the Adeptrogue, Tue, 10th Dec '13 9:10:01 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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The description of Clothing Combat does link to Improvised Weapon as its Supertrope, but it's actually listed as a subtrope in Improbable Weapon User, and the examples seem to comply with the latter more.

As for weapons hidden in clothing, wouldn't that be covered by Nothing Up My Sleeve?

edited 10th Dec '13 9:23:54 PM by theAdeptrogue

 7 Shanghai Slave, Wed, 11th Dec '13 6:37:33 AM from YKTTW Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
[up] it's pretty much a subtrope of "hiding weapons inside clothes". its sisters being Trouser Space and Victoria's Secret Compartment.
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
 8 the Adeptrogue, Thu, 12th Dec '13 2:40:34 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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By the way, Arsenal Attire also mentions Clothes Make the Superman as a possible supertrope and Hat of Power as a subtrope. I'm not seeing the relevance of those two here, especially since Hat of Power seems to be more of a sister trope to Clothes Make the Superman rather than a subtrope, and this makes an unnecessary bridge between the two.

 9 the Adept Rogue, Thu, 2nd Jan '14 4:07:32 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Sorry for the double post. So, to reiterate, the distinction between the two tropes would be:

Glove Slap and Shoe Slap, which is listed under Clothing Combat, is unrelated to either tropes since they aren't actually used as a real weapon, and the actual context is more similar to Dope Slap or Paper Fan of Doom.

edited 9th Jan '14 9:17:01 PM by theAdeptrogue

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Merge those duplicates! Fix that factual error! Delete that shoehorned non-example! You have the power! Meta Four
 11 the Adeptrogue, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 3:14:55 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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This is probably better suited for the Trope Description Improvement Drive, but here's an attempted revision of Arsenal Attire:

Some people just don't carry weapons into their fights - not because they actually fight with bare hands, but because their weapons and armours have been incorporated in their normal attire.

The use of such clothing is not limited to the functions of Rule of Cool, but it also gives the wearer a pass in places where weapons are not normally allowed, since the weapons in question are all but invisible to casual observers.

This trope is a Sub-trope to Hidden Weapons, a Supertrope to Sword Cane and Combat Haircomb.

edited 10th Feb '14 8:21:08 AM by theAdeptRogue

 12 the Adept Rogue, Mon, 10th Feb '14 8:21:28 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Bump for thoughts on the description?

 13 Willbyr, Tue, 11th Mar '14 7:04:15 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Re-clocked.
 14 Willbyr, Tue, 11th Mar '14 7:04:37 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up][up][up] That seems good enough to me, at least as a draft.
 15 the Adeptrogue, Tue, 11th Mar '14 8:42:58 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Yeah, unfortunately, my writing skills is rather substandard... the definition is not incorrect, is it?

 16 Willbyr, Tue, 15th Apr '14 4:08:14 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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One last clock; any objections to Adeptrogue's proposed condensing of the definition in 11?

edited 15th Apr '14 4:08:43 AM by Willbyr

 17 Willbyr, Sun, 20th Apr '14 1:35:26 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Not enough consensus to make the change; locking up.
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