The man who regretsOn this page, it was recommended to make a repair shop page because:
the definition for the trope was too narrow and probably should be taken to TRS.So I made a page for this trope.
The man who regretsSorry, the title is supposed to read: Yin-Yang Clash.
Fixed. For future reference, you don't need to add in apostrophes when linking to a trope. YinYangClash in this case would be the correct page to link to.
The man who regretsThanks. Also, I suggested these pictures for the image, because the current one doesn't demonstrate it: ◊ and 
Ice!Can we discuss about the problems with the trope first, before worrying about the page image? Anyway, the main complaint about this trope is that the definition is too narrow. Specifically, this trope is about two diametrically opposite, absolute forces that exists in/governs the same verse. Personally, I find that the description isn't entirely clear on this. On one hand, it mentions that this is a subtrope to Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny; but then it goes on to say that it is not necessary for the story to actually depict or even address about the clash. There is also no indication of what might constitute as an "unbreakable absolute, force".
Wait, Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny is about Intercontinuity Crossover fights. What the heck does that have to do with this trope?
edited 8th Dec '13 12:54:04 AM by Leaper
verse", so yeah... The statement about Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny being a supertrope to this should be removed.
Now there are three outcomes: one of them actually is stronger than the other and wins, Sealed Evil in a Duel, and Reality-Breaking Paradox. The first of these options leaves the possibility, that they are not absolute, which is why I think it was unjustified for people to have insisted that they need to be absolute in the Image Pickin' discussion.
Suggestion: change the second sentence in the first line from
"Both of them are unbreakable absolutes."to
"Both of them are seemingly unbreakable absolutes."
Yin-Yang Clash is basically Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object but the trope is used without the phrase or the basic "battle of exact opposites". Then Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object says that is basically about when people use the Stock Phrase to describe a battle. and that "two really strong guys fight" is Yin-Yang Clash. huh. EDIT: additionally both seem to refer to Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny as if basing the meaning on it's laconic which is "If character X and character Y had a fight, who would win?", which do not mention it being exclusively about crossovers.
edited 8th Dec '13 9:52:47 AM by ShanghaiSlave
Ice!Fixed the Laconic of Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, since that is obviously misleading. The page note in Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object which says that "two really strong guys fight" belong to Yin-Yang Clash is also problematic, because "any given situation where two Badasses battle with each other" isn't tropeworthy
edited 9th Dec '13 11:31:52 PM by theAdeptRogue
The man who regretsSo is this thread done? What happened?
Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object, since both seem to twin Sister Tropes. EDIT: checking the examples in the Yin-Yang Clash page(i.e. not it's wicks), they all are either:
edited 18th Dec '13 8:13:19 PM by ShanghaiSlave
edited 18th Dec '13 8:32:07 PM by ShanghaiSlave
The man who regretsSo is this a "Not Tropeworthy" trope?
SF-81A Black KnightMore like an extremely unclear definition. Looking at the archived YKTTW this was nowhere near ready to launch when it went live, and started out as Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object. I'm inclined to say redirect to that and move examples and wicks around as needed.
A Wizard boyI would like to know what Shanghai is calling Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object there, because that one is about the actual phrase/the paradox. Not just any clash of yin and yang-like stuff. As for this one, I agree that being absolutist about the conflict being irresolvable is not good for the trope. I would put the "seemingly" in.
edited 18th Dec '13 11:55:22 PM by ShanghaiSlave
A Wizard boyYep, that is not the Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object trope.
edited 18th Dec '13 11:56:00 PM by SeptimusHeap
Yin-Yang Clash started out as Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object but was later converted to exclude the stockphrase requirement, which is why i proposed to move stuff there instead, since i feel this one is just the same thing but without anyone referring to it with the stockphrase.
A Wizard boyThat's the less ideal solution. Simply expanding the definition of this trope is better and more productive than to throw the two tropes together.
Ice!So what are the distinction between the two anyway? If Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object is simply about the stock phrase that defines Yin-Yang Clash, how is that even a valid trope?
edited 19th Dec '13 2:35:54 AM by theAdeptrogue
The man who regretsBump?
Ice!Well, I personally find that the description is way too vague. Particularly:
Considering , I'd almost feel tempted to do a merge here.
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