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Misused: Stop Having Fun Guys get usage counts

 1 Larkmarn, Tue, 26th Nov '13 10:16:11 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
This gets chronically misused as someone who's a wet blanket or a killjoy around his friends, trying to get them to stop doing something wild. I also see it used for people who just criticize people for liking certain works. Oddly enough, I can't find a perfect trope for this (closest I can find is Grumpy Bear or Only Sane Man, but that doesn't seem to be quite the same).

In actuality, it's about a Gamer who doesn't play games to have fun, but to win and thinks anyone who doesn't do the same is a noob and "playing it wrong."

First 25 out of 662 wicks:

First 25 wicks: 8 correct, 2 correct-ish, 12 wrong, 2-wrong-ish. One no context.

Not to mention the punctuation in the title makes no sense. It should be either "Stop Having Fun, Guys!" or "'Stop Having Fun!' Guy."

I think at the very least, the definition could be expanded to video game players who insist that there's a "right" way to play, even if it's not the best. The Ascended Glitch example seems like it has the right spirit, but it is still technically misuse.

edited 26th Nov '13 10:25:14 AM by Larkmarn

 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 26th Nov '13 10:54:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
With 11655 inbounds and one preceding TRS voting against it, a rename is not really an option.

Title punctuation could be fixed through wikiword customising, right?

 4 Larkmarn, Tue, 26th Nov '13 11:40:20 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Hrm. Well, in the meantime, I'm going to get more wicks to prove misuse just in case.

Next 25:

7 correct. 1 probably correct. 16 wrong. One unclear.

So that puts us at:

15 correct, 3 probably correct, 28 wrong, 2 probably wrong, 2 unclear.

At least ZCEs haven't really been an issue. I feel like some of the inbounds have to be from XKCD's popularity... which is weird since the comic the name comes from is Not an Example. Thus contributing to the misuse to boot.

edited 26th Nov '13 11:57:57 AM by Larkmarn

 5 nrjxll, Tue, 26th Nov '13 1:02:07 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I'm inclined to a Trope Transplant here.

 6 StarSword, Tue, 26th Nov '13 7:14:47 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Submitted a fix for the custom title.

Yeah, unclear title and clear evidence of misuse. Also, description could use a little clarifying: another interpretation is that it's a militant, elitist min-maxer who insists that his way to play is the only way to play.

edited 26th Nov '13 7:17:35 PM by StarSword

Given that it's a YMMV anyway, I don't think it's worth the trouble trying to keep it ultra-tight. Let people use it how they're using it; it's not like it's that far off.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 8 Larkmarn, Tue, 26th Nov '13 8:03:30 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
[up] Then shouldn't we expand the definition to allow such examples?

The thing is, the way it's currently misused, it's often a decent character trope. The misuse of "character is bitter his friends are having fun, but the wrong way" isn't a YMMV item since it's not an Audience Reaction.

Then make this trope more Exactly What It Says on the Tin, take it out of YMMV and make it a character trope, and start a new YMMV item for the current definition with a new name?

 10 Septimus Heap, Tue, 26th Nov '13 11:14:19 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
I'd like to know what this trope is being used for in inbounds.

This trope's title sounds like the common mispunctuation "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen", which sounds as if God is commanding people to stop having fun. The correct punctuation is "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" — God wants people to start having fun.

 12 0dd1, Wed, 25th Dec '13 10:20:06 AM from Nowhere Land Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
[up]Is that how you're supposed to read it? I've never been able to parse that song's name.
Insert witty and clever quip here.

New handle, same name.

My music.
I advocate expanding the trope to fit the misuse and take it out of YMMV. It's incredibly easy compared to the alternatives, and it's not really a big deal, all things considered.

ETA: Hell, I'll just go in and do it myself if no one else wants to.

edited 28th Jan '14 10:59:55 PM by Leaper

OK, so how many (and which) of the uses as described in previous posts SHOULD be part of the new description (including the current), keeping in mind that at least one (the original) is in YMMV territory, while the others are not?

 16 Larkmarn, Wed, 12th Feb '14 6:58:51 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
How about turning "Stop Having Fun" Guys into a Disambiguation between a new page for a character who is a wet blanket and the current definition, which is about competitive gaming.

 17 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Feb '14 7:02:04 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
With 12000+ inbounds, I am not so inclined towards degrading this to a disambig.

 18 Donaldthe Potholer, Wed, 12th Feb '14 7:28:47 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
I say it depends on the externals:
  • If the majority favor the "wet blanket" mode, move the "gamer" examples.
  • If the majority favor the "gamer" mode, move the "wet blanket" examples.
  • If both combine for an overwhelming majority but neither is the clear winner, then disambig.
  • And if the plurality is neither, then we need to create new tropes and lock this one.

Broadening a trope generally doesn't require moving examples, and the trope is already locked. tongue
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 20 Donaldthe Potholer, Thu, 13th Feb '14 11:49:46 AM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
To me, the "wet blanket" definition ("We shouldn't do this, it's against the law/someone will get hurt/I don't wanna!") is different from the "gamer" definition ("Do it right/competitively or don't do it at all!")

They're both against Fun for Fun's sake, but from different standpoints. So from what I see, there's two Tropes here, not one narrowly-defined one.

 21 StarSword, Thu, 13th Feb '14 6:33:10 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
It's two different ways of being a wet blanket. There's no need to waste the manpower it would take to comb through and move hundreds of wicks when it's close enough to Lump.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
The one problem with that is that the current trope is YMMV for a reason, right? Are there any other tropes out there with a definition that is a trope and a definition that is YMMV at the same time?

 24 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Feb '14 11:40:18 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Well, the issue is really that both of these have the same name in practice.

 25 StarSword, Sun, 16th Feb '14 2:53:07 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
@Troacctid: By that definition we might as well lump in Scrub as well, because that guy's being a wet blanket about everyone else being too good.

They're sister tropes. Similar connotation, totally different ways to get there.

edited 16th Feb '14 2:53:38 PM by StarSword

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