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Needs Help (titles crowner 3/4/14): Bakers Dozen get usage counts

A couple of issues:

1) Is this really a trope? Trivia, maybe?

2) The name. It's a preexisting term describing something not remotely like what the term is supposed to be applied to. (Try playing Guess The Trope with it.)

 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 26th Nov '13 1:22:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The first question seems like it's better off in the Trivia thread in Long Term Projects. I don't know what Baker's Dozen means beyond what is said here.

 3 Madrugada, Tue, 26th Nov '13 4:02:23 AM Relationship Status: In season
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A "baker's dozen" is 13 of something. Anything. Supposedly dating back to the Middle Ages, and a particular town or area when there were strict rules about how much bread could be sold for, and a baker that sold short weight could be fined heavily. Allegedly, bakers there got in the habit of giving 13 small loaves for a dozen to make sure that they didn't sell short weight even accidentally. There's some question about the legitimacy of this etymology, but that's what the term means — getting 13 for the cost of a dozen.

So, the only relationship between the name and the subject of the page is that the extra content is in the form of a thirteenth episode.

I agree that it's most often trivia, and that the name is poor.

edited 26th Nov '13 4:03:16 AM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
I think it worth noting that this has only 82 wicks while the redirect Bonus Episode has 21 wicks. I think a rename to some variant of Bonus Episode would be in order. Or even a rename to Bakers Dozen Bonus Episode might clarify the meaning.

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Clocking. Let's try to have a new podt within a month.

I think that renaming this to Bonus Episode is a very good idea — there's nothing specific to 13 episodes in the trope, it's just a common number.
Merge those duplicates! Fix that factual error! Delete that shoehorned non-example! You have the power! Meta Four
Ah, if there's a simple switch to be done, I can get behind that.

Any objections to also moving this out of "actual trope" territory?

Anyone more people have any thoughts on switching this with the Bonus Episode redirect? Do we need a crowner or can we get enough consensus in the thread discussion?

Perhaps for moving it out of trope territory, since that hasn't been discussed much. I don't see any opposition to switching to the redirect.

No objection here, bonus episode is much more clear about what this is, plus Baker's Dozen could conceivably be a broader trope about receiving extra goods for the price of what you paid for x amount(though I think it would be People Sit on Chairs, but hey, you COULD make the argument!)

About it being trivia...yeah I could see the argument there. I'll whip up a single prop crowner for it

Edit: Crowner here

edited 29th Jan '14 9:50:14 PM by tryrar

 10 Willbyr, Thu, 30th Jan '14 4:13:44 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Crowner's hooked.
Bump for a few more votes, though there's obvious emerging consensus...

Actually, now that I think about it, switching the name with the redirect also came up. Is that legit to add to the crowner as a non-mutually exclusive option, just to gauge, or is that a separate matter?

 13 Septimus Heap, Sat, 22nd Feb '14 1:29:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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A Single Proposition crowner can take only one option. Also, given that Trivia status is not exclusive with what you are proposing, it could go into the next crowner.

welp, votes have held steady for a while, so I think this one can be called

 15 Willbyr, Sun, 2nd Mar '14 6:07:57 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Indeed. Calling for making Baker's Dozen Trivia.
Now do we need a crowner for rename, or is there already enough consensus?

Good question.

I assume that switching with a redirect is considered rename.

Whether or not it is, I concur Bonus Episode is a better name for this in either case.

Doublepost to bring an Alt Names Crowner. Only two options right now, but feel free to add any you think is good

 20 Willbyr, Tue, 4th Mar '14 10:15:39 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] New crowner's hooked; I'll update the thread title shortly.
been about a week with no more movement on the voting, so I think we can call this

bump. Another week, just a few extra votes.

I think this can be called in favor of switching the name.

 24 Willbyr, Sun, 23rd Mar '14 2:28:14 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Yeah, we're not at the magic 15 but I think the spread's enough to compensate. Make it so.
 25 Septimus Heap, Sun, 23rd Mar '14 3:02:22 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Renamed, wicks moved and rename tagged.

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Alternative Titles: Bakers Dozen
4th Mar '14 9:51:53 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Since there is a pretty strong consensus to rename this trope, Here are some proposed renames
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