Wick cleanup: Absurdly Youthful Mother

Calling for Mum Looks Like a Sister and the associated redirect.

Clock is set; was anything ever done with this?

edited 20th Apr '14 1:18:51 PM by Willbyr

Slightly modifying an old post:

Tropes are ready at Sandbox.Adoptive Peer Parent, Sandbox.Supernaturally Young Parent, or Sandbox.Mum Looks Like Your Sis (which will be named Mum Looks Like a Sister when launched). I'll swap them in, with the subtropes listed on Absurdly Youthful Mother as:

• Adoptive Peer Parent: Parents remarried, adoption, or gained custody through other means.
• Mum Looks Like a Sister: The parent looks younger, or the child looks older. Closely related to Older Than They Look and Younger Than They Look.
• Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome: Children are born, then their age is retconned.
• Supernaturally Young Parent: Time Travel, Magic, Bizarre Alien Biology or Immortality are involved.
• Teen Pregnancy: Pregnancy at a young age is clearly implied or stated.

But before that, we still need to decide on whether to do a disambiguation/index, or a supertrope. Do we need a crowner, or can we just go with it?

I am still in support of supertrope, for the record.

Bump again. I'm also still in support of a supertrope. Can we please just do that, or do we need another crowner?

I'm good with a supertrope.

I'm gonna give it another hour for people to voice dissent, then I'll go with the supertrope. This has been waiting way too long.

Swapped the sandboxes in, moved the examples on Absurdly Youthful Mother to appropriate subpages, and left those that didn't have a subpage on the main page. Now we just have the fun part left: The wicks.

Willbyr, can you change the thread title to something along the lines of "Wick cleanup"?

Done.

How is this not Playing Gertrude?

Absurdly Youthful Mother is character age. Playing Gertrude is actress age.

Both result in someone who looks much to young to be the mother, but one is In-Universe and the other is just a casting issue.

Fair enough. But then we have a case of misuse at hand. For Absurdly Youthful Mother to apply (and not Playing Gertrude) the age of the too-young character must be verifiable within the story (e.g. daughter is second grade and mother mentions she is 26). Otherwise it is only a perceptional "looking too young" for the role which is Playing Gertrude. This can be attributed to miscasting or poor drawing skills for non-live action. In any case, the character is probably meant to be older than appears. When I go through the examples, I see a lot of examples (Film, TV, Video Games) that talk about the young look of the character without a reference to an actual "absurdly young age" stated in the story.

edited 23rd Jan '15 4:51:50 AM by eroock

Umm, what is happening with the current on-page examples?

They count as examples of the supertrope, as they don't fit into the subtropes.

Since this is "pending final action"....the next thing to do would be wick cleaning, correct?

edited 25th Jun '15 3:03:24 PM by MacronNotes

Correct.

I feel stupid >_< , I should have read the title.

Anywho, I shall get work on W-Z wicks

I know I'm late, and it might not exactly pertain to the original topic of this TRS, but I'd like to contest this one part of Absurdly Youthful Mother's description that says it's a subtrope of Hollywood Old. The trope Hollywood Old is about a relatively youthful actor/actress (usually the latter, for obvious gender-based double standard reasons) playing a character that is supposed to be older than s/he is. Absurdly Youthful Mother, however, is not limited to media that involve live acting, and indeed there are pretty much just as many examples from animated/drawn media as there are from live-action ones. So... Are there any objections to removing that line?

On a more on-topic note... If Absurdly Youthful Mother is supposed to be a supertrope now, then why does the description say "See also:" (which doesn't imply supertrope-subtrope relations) instead of something like "Subtropes include:" or "Some specific variations have their own subtropes:"?

EDIT: Aaaand I just discovered that we have Mom Looks Like a Sister as a duplicate of Mum Looks Like a Sister, in the course of attempting to redirect the former to the latter. Fixed it. Someone should set things straight with azul120.

edited 1st Jul '15 8:59:31 AM by MarqFJA

You have a point there about Absurdly Youthful Mother not being limited to Hollywood productions and therefore not being a subtrope of Hollywood Old.

I strongly feel that we need an index page for age and age-gap related dissonances. One thing that stands out for me is that Absurdly Youthful Mother doesn't start high enough in the order if we really want to include tropes like Older Than They Look. See my draft at Age Perception Dissonance for a first idea. Opinions?

Handled the A-E wicks.

Most of the examples I found fit in one or more of the subtropes, or already had those subtropes listed. Aside from the usual ZCEs, other types of misuse include:

• Covert examples to gush about Hot Mom, a defunct trope.
• Shoehorning as "Absurdly Youthful Aunt", "Absurdly Youthful Grandmother", etc.
• "Mother was pregnant in her early 20s", which is younger than average, but not noticeably so that it's anything other than Values Dissonance.
• "Looks younger than middle-aged", which is not even necessarily Mum Looks Like a Sister but just Older Than They Look (or Playing Gertrude).

Also, shouldn't the page image be on Mum Looks Like a Sister? The supertrope could cover a number of different scenarios other than parents physically looking the same as their children.

Handled the F-O wicks.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:31:55 AM by Morgenthaler

Handled the rest of the wicks not already checked by Macron Notes. Now the only thing left is the redirects.

All the wicks have now been corrected. I'll request an IP thread later on for the suggested Absurdly Youthful Mother / Mum Looks Like a Sister image swap since that's their purview.

I also found another subtrope: Not Allowed to Grow Old, which is probably much more underused than it should be. That's for another TRS thread, so is there anything else to be done here?

edited 9th Sep '15 8:31:39 AM by Morgenthaler

Added a note to the discussion page; locking now.