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Complaining: Meaningless Meaningful Words get usage counts

 1 Santos L Halper, Sat, 23rd Nov '13 4:19:57 PM from The Canterlot of the North
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All right, it seems that Meaningless Meaningful Words has a lot of complainings, and has decayed to "Complaining about Wording you Don't Like". Am I the only one who thinks a cleanup is in order?
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 2 Septimus Heap, Sun, 24th Nov '13 1:53:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Looking at the examples, I don't see much of complaining.

 3 the Adeptrogue, Sun, 24th Nov '13 7:02:01 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up]Same here. Just because it doesn't exactly explain in detail why the "meaningful words" are meaningless, doesn't mean it's complaining

And even if the examples are negative, that's not really a problem because this is an inherently negative trope.

The problem though is when people interpret "meaningless meaningful words" as "bad dialog" and use it for irrelevant complaints.

Some misuse on the main page:

  • Mystery Men: Those lines are formulaic, but they're not meaningless. Each one's meaning is very clear.
  • South Park: The example actually says "Admittedly, there's arguably no pretense of meaningfulness here, " yet the editor thought it worth listing.
  • Real Life: Us, apparently, for using "egregiously" and "aforementioned" too often. (Overuse has nothing to do with meaningless)

 5 Septimus Heap, Sat, 30th Nov '13 6:12:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I did a huge cleaning, including some of the items mentioned ^ - the others will be pulled through the Real Life Section Maintenance topic.

 6 nrjxll, Sat, 30th Nov '13 6:14:01 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I can spot quite a few more bad examples in just a glance.

 7 Septimus Heap, Sun, 1st Dec '13 1:34:11 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Can you pinpoint which examples?

One of the Real Life examples given is the use of 'full stop', in spit of TV Tropes being 'a website, not a telegram'. Although in North America the common name is 'period', in British English 'full stop' is actually the most-used term and so this is not so much Meaningless Meaningful Words as Separated by a Common Language.
[up]In TV Tropes usage it's more of a meme than anything else. Still a bad example, but not because "well, Britain uses it all the time", more because it's not even trying to be meaningful (unless it's used because people think British usages are more "distinguished"). It's less Meaningless Meaningful Words or Separated by a Common Language than it is just plain Word Cruft.

edited 30th Dec '13 8:40:37 AM by MorganWick

 10 Willbyr, Thu, 30th Jan '14 4:14:41 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 11 Willbyr, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 6:35:03 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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