Misused: Ms Fanservice get usage counts
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The Default Mood
That much context is no different from zero context, so...yeah, problematic.
There has been absolutely no discussion, let alone argument, on the validity of Ms. Fanservice as a trope, only the quality of the examples. I'm more than a little cynical on all of the boob tropes we have (every possible way to show off the female body), but I will argue the strength of Ms. Fanservice as a strong and unique concept.
The Default Mood
So what course of action should we take now?
First move should be to make sure all the ZCE's on the main page are gone.
The Default Mood
Clean up it is.
No tweaking the description?
107 MarqFJA27th Dec 2013 11:23:16 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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He said "first move". ZCEs would have no place in the example list (except as commented-out lines, possibly) even if we redefine the trope.
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108 Serocco29th Dec 2013 07:50:21 PM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
Basically, let's focus on removing the examples that don't have details on why they're examples.

We can go back to those examples after we've decided on what guidelines should be used for Ms. Fanservice and Mr. Fanservice.

Are we agreed on that?

edited 30th Dec '13 7:02:21 PM by Serocco

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109 MarqFJA30th Dec 2013 02:03:36 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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I'm in agreement.
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110 Serocco30th Dec 2013 07:02:35 PM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
Anyone else?
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111 Willbyr31st Dec 2013 06:37:59 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Make it so.
As some help for the description. I've noticed that some Ms.Fanservice characters are used as the show's eye candy for part of a work, but then are Put on a Bus, and lose their role as eye candy when the The Bus Comes Back.

At least that's the impression I got reading the Getting Crap Past the Radar article for the pokemon anime. BTW that page has some pretty hilarious entries.

edited 1st Jan '14 10:37:42 AM by xanderiskander

That seems extremely specific, and I can't recall any examples of it.
The Default Mood
[up][up] Way too specific to be worth mentioning.

Okay, time for cleaning.

Holy crap, 4818 pages. I hope at they aren't listed in many Character sheets as ZCE.

edited 30th Jan '14 1:05:03 PM by dRoy

115 MarqFJA31st Jan 2014 12:51:13 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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You'd probably be disappointed, D Roy.
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116 SeptimusHeap31st Jan 2014 12:54:44 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
1532 hits for "characters/", for the record.
117 MarqFJA31st Jan 2014 01:00:58 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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On the other hand, in the past I've seen at least a few such ZCEs where it seemed that they were as such because the rest of the trope list contained enough Fanservice trope non-ZCEs that adding an explanation to the Ms. Fanservice entry probably seemed moot to whoever added the trope.

edited 31st Jan '14 1:01:24 AM by MarqFJA

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Could we just... not have Death anymore?
But if the example itself lacks any context, it's still bad. Even if the context is "Popular tropes associated with this character are X, Y, and Z.", that's good context for a Mr/Ms Fanservice.
119 Serocco11th Feb 2014 03:17:39 AM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
So... what, exactly, are we doing?
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Reeling in fear of some 4,800 wicks. The only thing I've learned when it comes to certain tropes which have rampant misuse and high wick counts are to either tweak the trope description to include the misuse or we work at it over time before losing interest.

edited 11th Feb '14 4:25:52 AM by treelo

121 Serocco14th Feb 2014 09:56:50 PM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
We should probably tweak the guidelines.
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122 MarqFJA15th Feb 2014 03:18:58 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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If you mean the TRS guidelines, then I concur. This is not the place for it, though.
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I hope you don't mean changing them to say "run in fear of any page with a large number of intrawiki inbound links, even if the reason for the huge number of links is rampant misuse". (Not necessarily saying the latter is the case here.)
124 MarqFJA16th Feb 2014 03:07:14 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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No, more like in the opposite direction — though to what extent is not determined.
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Nobody wants to tackle a high level of misuse unless there's a group of people who really do want to fix it. If you find those people, you can end up with something like the CompleteMonster thread over in LT/P which is a trope with rampant misuse but it's getting cleaned. Most though end up like this and get pecked at until they're forgotten either through fatigue, disinterest or boredom. Can't get around those really.

You could write into guidelines that tropes which are misused must be cleaned but it's hard to find the manpower to get things done and far more people would be inclined to agree with watering down a trope to include the misuse as an accepted part of the trope under the reasoning that Tropes Are Not Narrow, Tropes Are Flexible and everyone figures that's what it is anyway so might as well accept it.

There, fixed the "misuse" as now the misuse is the trope and nobody needs to go fixing wicks, it's a kludge at best but it saves work.

edited 16th Feb '14 4:03:29 AM by treelo


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