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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#2351: Apr 27th 2015 at 10:25:16 PM

So Seiga's special ability is passing through walls, like a ghost. But it's less of a special ability and more of she has a special chisel that allows her to pass through walls. And "walls" is just a placeholder for saying she can go through anything with that thing. Convenient tool. Suiki would've definitely caught her in his whirlpool trap if she just didn't have it on her.

...Hey, maybe Tewi's prank mastery would go up a notch if she and Seiga teamed up! Or if she took the chisel for herself.

edited 28th Apr '15 2:53:52 PM by Diamite

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#2352: Apr 27th 2015 at 10:30:14 PM

According to Akyuu, the softer the material, the less it works (and vice versa).

She recommends putting your valuables in a rubber cage (and then questions if it's necessary since Seiga doesn't care about material things)

edited 27th Apr '15 10:35:35 PM by Otherarrow

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#2353: Apr 27th 2015 at 10:34:42 PM

Seiga doesn't phase through walls either, she creates temporary holes in walls.

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#2354: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:09:40 AM

I can't help but wonder whether or not that chisel could be used to pass through the Great Hakurei Barrier.

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#2355: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:11:06 AM

I don't think you can get softer than "not physically there; magic".

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#2356: Apr 28th 2015 at 10:36:00 PM

Actually, wasn't Seiga based off a Chinese historical character or something? What was her original inspiration like?

According to the Touhou Wiki, Seiga Kaku's name in Mandarin Chinese would be Qing'e Huo, and one of the tales collected in Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio concerns a girl named Qing'e Wu who follows her father's footsteps to study Taoism, falls in love with and marries a guy named Huo Huan, then is presumed dead but later found to be hermitting with daddy.

This doesn't tell us much about Seiga that we didn't already know, though I guess now we can call her by her proper name?

I can't help but wonder whether or not that chisel could be used to pass through the Great Hakurei Barrier.

I don't think you can get softer than "not physically there; magic".

Chisel or no chisel, she got in Gensokyo somehow.

So... if the barrier is permeable, do birds fly through it? Like, do ornithologists in central Honshu wonder where certain bird populations go during certain seasons?

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#2357: Apr 29th 2015 at 11:21:52 AM

Maybe she has teleportation device of some sort?

"The acting imperial viceroy of Doma, Yotsuyu's grace and beauty belie a heart of stone."
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#2358: Apr 29th 2015 at 11:35:51 AM

Well then you have to take into consideration Nue, who went OUT of Gensokyo to recruit Mamizou. But that's a discussion for when she gets brought up.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#2359: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:01:39 PM

The zashiki warashi also managed to pop out pretty easily. Doesn't seem all that hard, really, for gods and youkai.

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#2360: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:25:21 PM

I think it's mentioned that fantastic things tend to just naturally end up in Gensoukyou anyway. Sometimes, they just wake up there.

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Starx Since: Jan, 2012
#2361: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:50:18 PM

The zashiki warashi also managed to pop out pretty easily. Doesn't seem all that hard, really, for gods and youkai.

Kasen needs to take a lesson from these Zashiki Warashi.

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#2362: Apr 30th 2015 at 9:41:05 PM

So a lot of Seiga's fanart is pretty samey. Lots of busty and skimpy stuff, perhaps a disproportionate amount of cat ears because of her nickname or hair style. And I think that is in part reflecting her character - she's another of those "defined" cast members, with a well-established personality and role to play. With the likes of Marisa there's an array of nuances or facets of the character that a storyteller or artist can use, but we seem to have a pretty clear idea who Seiga is.

Anyway, the artdump:

Pick your poison
Pocket Wars style
Monochrome from a guy who does great creepy monochromes
Flirty?
Dat smirk
Up to no good
Oh, it's a doujin cover
Eye on the sky
In her boudoir
Strolling through the cemetery
This may be my favorite Persona yet
Gold apple
We can only wonder
Interesting eyes
Style shift
Compare and contrast
I'd be worried too
Say hello to her rotten friend
Dirty embrace
With a soggy zombie
Intensely blue
Yes she had swords hidden inside her jiang shi minion, that's just the kind of gal she is\\ Still like the wild-eyed look of this one
That zombie gets some of the best faces
Star-crossed?
Yoshika makes me chuckle, the "danmaku" makes me cringe
Oh come on...

So taking a closer look at the Seiga spellcards to try and explain this - that Evil Sign "Yang Xiaogui" of hers? Apparently that's "a sorcery which involves taming dead spirits using dead foetus corpses to use as tools."

You're a sick puppy, Seiga Kaku.

Oh don't try looking so innocent, I'm on to you now
"Why is there a Yukari in my lamp?"
Sleeps with da fishes
What's a "clockwiser?"
Then the wicked blue fairy appeared, and gave the corpse-puppet a semblance of life
Power, wisdom and cleavage
A bit concerned about her right eye
No matter how you dress them...
Always open for a hug
Gratuitous elf ears, but damn fine work
Elegant
Glamorous
Awesome desktop wallpaper
Terajin, please stop making crimes against nature adorable, thanks
Join the club
Wallhax bloopers
Maybe they both just got tired halfway through
Chinese hacker
If she flipped her around, she'd have two steering columns
Corpses are cool, you see
The solution to this problem is barbeque sauce
Everybody loves Seiga!

...That's actually ...Who does love Seiga? Her family is long dead, her co-conspirators are disavowing her, and her closest ally is a mindless zombie.

She's not at all sympathetic, but still pitiable.

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#2364: May 1st 2015 at 10:27:05 PM

Hmm, macabre yet heartwarming, and also bittersweet.

Makes me think more about Seiga's relationships. She likes putting others in awe and getting attention from the right people, and who is she closest to? The corpse-robot she programs. So from Yoshika she gets unwavering devotion, and also someone Seiga can control utterly, with just the right words on a slip of paper. Yoshika's brain has too many maggots for her to properly appreciate Seiga's awesomeness, but on the other hand she'll never abandon her, and will never die. And again, she's a walking monument of Seiga's mastery over life and death, so that's another plus.

Contrast with Seiga's fellow Taoists. They're all important ladies, so their esteem means something. However, now that they've cheated death and their plan to rule Japan fell apart, they don't actually need Seiga anymore, so she can't control them as a mentor. I suspect their "break-up" with her was mutual.

edited 2nd May '15 9:44:15 PM by Tacitus

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#2365: May 2nd 2015 at 7:35:27 AM

Seiga is Miko's Evil Mentor and something of an attention seeker.

"The acting imperial viceroy of Doma, Yotsuyu's grace and beauty belie a heart of stone."
Antimatter625 Baring hearts for years from my secret place Since: Jan, 2012
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#2366: May 2nd 2015 at 9:02:11 AM

I can't help but wonder whether or not that chisel could be used to pass through the Great Hakurei Barrier.

I don't think so? From what I understand about the Barrier, It'd be like ripping a hole open on the Mario 64 infinite staircase. Where do you put the hole? But then, It somehow can make tunnels underground (which clearly isn't 'just' opening a hole to the other side of a barrier).

Actually, a thought on that: She may have gone down into the Underground (which is notably rather large) and then just gone over a ways and gone up and ended up at the shrine.

...Hey, maybe Tewi's prank mastery would go up a notch if she and Seiga teamed up! Or if she took the chisel for herself.

I strongly suspect If Seiga really knew about Tewi's personality, she would latch on immediately. Tewi just seems like the perfect sort of mind to pit Seiga's genius against. It would probably revolve around Tewi trying to keep evading Seiga's notice. Could be really interesting, but I don't think I could manage writing it without making Seiga be Yosemite Sam/whoever else to Tewi's Bugs bunny.

As for how she got into Gensokyo, I figure she basically just followed the Mausoleum.

Who does love Seiga?

Only one person I can think of... the only one that matters: Seiga. She just can't get enough of that clever girl.

Living too long is far from her only sin, though it's certainly among them. Good and proper hermits are 'allowed' to live long because they're using that extended life to pursue enlightenment. Seiga's using it to dick around. And while the image doesn't easily overlay, she's almost like a child in that regard. She's got her whole life (until she gets bored with it, basically) ahead of her, no responsibilities, and so hey, why not just have fun?

Well, because she's not supposed to be a kid and darn it grow up and use your indefinite duration life, rather than frittering it away. Hmph. Youth is wasted on the eternally young.

I suspect Seiga's MO to lean a bit towards control freak, but not in a typical way. She's gotta be the one giving commands and pulling strings... but she'd really prefer you didn't realize it. She strikes me as a puppetmaster without any long-term goals. And only one puppet now that the others have wised up to her game.

edited 2nd May '15 9:03:19 AM by Antimatter625

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#2367: May 3rd 2015 at 10:53:48 AM

She's got no plan, she's down to her last ally, and I would argue that this makes Seiga a ticking time bomb. How much longer until she runs out of interesting people to bother? What will this master manipulator do to amuse herself then?

Heh, it's easy to mix her up with Seija, and I'd argue that it's a role that Seiga would be perfect for - finding some dupe to prod into causing an Incident.

I strongly suspect If Seiga really knew about Tewi's personality, she would latch on immediately. Tewi just seems like the perfect sort of mind to pit Seiga's genius against. It would probably revolve around Tewi trying to keep evading Seiga's notice.

Maybe, but that's a big "if." Tewi strikes me as someone who's pretty good at staying below notice when it suits her, and with the likes of Eirin and Kaguya around Eientei, Seiga would likely overlook her. And while Seiga could consider Tewi a Worthy Opponent, I doubt the feeling would be reciprocated - Seiga's the scrub sort of schemer who has to insert herself as a king's advisor, while Tewi can accomplish more while playing the role of court jester. Or stage midboss.

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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
Rainy Echoes
#2368: May 3rd 2015 at 12:02:01 PM

The wicked hermit's up to no good again. Now she's trying to charm people through their ears!

Sage of Death
A Calm Desire
Ancient Tao
Taoist's Piano
Retro Hermit
Heart's Desire
Solemn Taoism
Desire Realm
Surge of Dead Energy
Sage of Intoxication
Desire of an Open Mind
Old Hermit's Desire


Also, here's the doujin where my first interpretation post on Seiga came from: Soft Enclosure.

edited 3rd May '15 12:02:24 PM by Diamite

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#2369: May 3rd 2015 at 11:02:58 PM

Seiga seems to remind of fanon Yukari as she seems to harass people for laughs and she manipulates everyone around her. Yukari is a serious person who doesn't unless it is to make a point or something of that nature.

"The acting imperial viceroy of Doma, Yotsuyu's grace and beauty belie a heart of stone."
ninryu Crown Prince from The Outside World Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Crown Prince
#2370: May 4th 2015 at 6:04:53 AM

Only Yukari's pranks are pretty harmless in the long run, while Seiga just doesn't care if anyone gets hurt. It would probably amuse her, actually.

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#2371: May 4th 2015 at 6:05:07 AM

[up][up] Likewise Yoshika resembles fanon Yuyuko (omni nom nom) and Miko resembles fanon Remilia (vampires sparkle, right?)

edited 4th May '15 6:05:21 AM by Prime32

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#2372: May 4th 2015 at 11:05:20 AM

[up][up] Indeed. Yukari is can be troll but she isn't malicious.

[up] That makes sense.

"The acting imperial viceroy of Doma, Yotsuyu's grace and beauty belie a heart of stone."
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#2373: May 5th 2015 at 6:16:55 PM

Well, I think we can just about wrap up our Seiga discussion, so we should anticipate Nitori making an appearance (or a not-appearance, as it may be) sometime tomorrow.

And after her will be Meiling, but I still haven't consulted the virtual dice to determine the conversation topic past that, because I'm interested in ya'll's opinions on whether we need a review period, should go back to voting, or what.

FYI, there's 70 entries left on my list of characters (and six locations), 16 of which are PC-98 characters, and three of those are Marisa, Yuuka and Alice.

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#2374: May 6th 2015 at 8:20:42 PM

Hold on to your butts.






Super Youkai Warhead
Nitori Kawashiro

Appearance:

Stage: The Flawless Fortress ~ The Untrodden Valley
BGM: "The Gensokyo the Gods Loved"
Theme: "Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's 'Kappa' ~ Candid Friend" (HM remix)

Spellcard Motif: Gadgets and Gizmos Aplenty, Being a Kappa, Hydromancy
Notable Spellcards: MoF, GoM, DS, HM, ISC
Optics "Optical Camouflage," Drown "Trauma in the Glimmering Depths," Water Sign "Kappa's Flash Flood," Kappa "Monster Cucumber," Kappa "Exteeeending Aaaaarm," Water Sign "Water Carpet," Heavy Rain "Great War Beneath the River," Bubble Sign "Fire! Bubble Dragon," Battle Machine "Fly! Sanpei Fight," "Super Scope 3D," Water Sign "Summer Plastic Bottle Rocket," Youkai Battleship "Sanpei Fighter," Waterfall Sign "Shiraito Falls," Waterfall Sign "Kegon Gun"

Write-up:
Like most kappa, Nitori is a brilliant engineer with an overstuffed backpack full of strange devices and heavy ordinance, but she's still a river spirit at heart and so has a supernatural ability to manipulate water. Depending who you ask (and when), she's either a shy but helpful lady, a greedy youkai scam artist, or maybe ZUN is right and she's a strange girl whose personality can shift in the middle of a conversation.

See, she was introduced as a bashful bystander who tried to warn the protagonist away during Mountain of Faith, before teaming up with Marisa to solve the mystery of Subterranean Animism. But when Nitori returned as a playable character for Hopeless Masquerade, many fans were surprised to see her as a faithless swindler taking advantage of the village's crisis of faith by running a festival stall and raking in as much dough as possible.

Perhaps we could blame a black-white witch's influence for this, though some have argued that the signs of Nitori's less admirable personality traits were there all along. She had to get those shirikodama somehow, after all...

Relations:

  • Marisa Kirisame (ally, shipping target)
  • Other kappa (occasional co-workers)

See also the first two compendiums.

edited 13th May '15 10:10:57 PM by Tacitus

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#2375: May 6th 2015 at 8:28:01 PM

You missed a perfect opportunity to use the new ULiL portrait.


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