Done, now what about Futurama?
Okay, so shows that are aimed at kids but have the same rating as The Simpsons (TV-PG) such as Total Drama and Regular Show? I've noticed such pages written as if their shows were rated TV-Y or TV-Y7. Obviously there's going to be some mature humor in these shows since they have the PG rating. Should these pages even exist, and if so, what would be a good starting point against which to measure stuff that should have gotten it a TV-14 rating or higher?
Also, what's the verdict on "OMG they said a word that could be considered a swear word under the loosest definition!" type things in general, like saying "crap" or "suck"? I really don't think these belong on the TV-PG or higher pages, but what about lower ratings? TV-Y?
edited 22nd Oct '13 4:55:11 PM by PPPSSC
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Those are not Radar. If every show gets away with them, then they are not subject to censorship, ergo there is no Radar to pass.
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I would honestly say the PG rating is a sign that they DIDN'T get away with it.
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The rating system and/or targeted audience gives the range of radar that needs to be gotten past. One of the reasons the "Birds of Prey" song from Batman: The Brave and the Bold is such a whopper of an example is it's a definite marketed-to-a-specific-demographic kids' show with a song that has some definite innuendo in wording and animation that is not in any way the kind of thing that rating should have let through. (The radar probably shut down in self-defense.)
On the other hand, the words 'crap' or 'darn' on a show with The Simpsons' rating don't qualify because a lot of shows from different companies in that rating range allow that.
There's also that TV Shows specifically (and maybe some book series) are assigned a rating, and then are (generally) expected to stay in that rating. Which means a very precise radar involved once that rating is set.
Of course, there's also Disney's particular radar. If they or another company don't allow particular things in its media products, period, that's another level of radar that has to be gotten through before the rating and audience radar is even met.
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Speaking of that, how do we handle books considering most countries don't have a ratings board for lit?
The standards of the publisher would be my first to-look-at, there.
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After the publisher, I'd look at the official target audience. (Pulls examples out of thin air.) I'd expect the radar to be much more intense for The Babysitters' Club then for The Kadinnote
edited 23rd Oct '13 5:20:45 AM by Candi
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My idea of radar for books would be the section of the store that they are in. If they're in the kids' section, they ought not to be using the Seven Dirty Words. If they're in the Young Adult section, that's a different standard. And if they're in general fiction, that's a much broader standard. Finally, we have the Erotica/Adult sections.
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Winx Club has a really bad page. It's an Italian kids cartoon, but the stuff is still pretty tame. I'm not sure what to do though.
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If the examples are very poor, then delete them, with a note to see this thread.
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I was wondering if this is graphic enough to count(it is a all ages comic):
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That seems like Toilet Humor to me, but is it really something a Radar would catch?
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We were discussing the example in Ask The Tropers — a nasty bruise like that is certainly not Radar material, but it might qualify as Family-Unfriendly Violence if MLP doesn't typically show injuries of that nature.
It's also not nearly graphic enough to qualify for Eye Scream.
edited 24th Oct '13 11:20:25 AM by Fighteer
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Even though this isn't to do with the cleanup issue, I'm waiting for an opening in TRS so I can start a thread on it after the one I opened here last year got a non-workable crowner and circled the drain for months. I do think it needs cleanup for examples but I also don't believe it should exist in the state it is either being a weird Freud Was Right cum Accidental Innuendo overthinking exercise so just making sure people know there will be one.
"In distress", my ass.
I don't see how that's Eye Scream, either. A blackened eye doesn't count for ES any more than it does GCPtR. 
It's more implication, if you look at the rest of the comic that eye pretty screwed, she can't even open it all the way anymore(and think there's a little trickle of Black Blood there). I think it's actually been disfigured somehow.
edited 24th Oct '13 12:26:43 PM by shoboni
Anyway, what do we want to do with the pages for things like Futurama and the Simpsons?
edited 24th Oct '13 12:27:46 PM by shoboni
Since Simspsons is only PG should we make sure there's nothing acceptable on it's page first?
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Yeah, probably a good idea.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'll copy the page contents here for review
You might be wondering why a show like The Simpsons would have a Getting Crap Past the Radar page, seeing as how it's not supposed to be for kids in the first place note , bright colors and crude, childlike character designs nonwithstanding.
Thing is, it's still subtle enough about its dirtiest, most subversive moments that some consider it still acceptable enough at least for older kids, since even kids who realize that it's a dirty show probably don't realize just how dirty it is.
Examples:
- Bart intoning brand name condoms for a magic spell ("Trojan, Ramses, Magnum, Sheik!") to get the town's zombies back to their graves ("Treehouse of Horror III"; the "Dial Z For Zombie" story).
- Krusty wondering if he should tell the joke about "the twelve inch pianist" during Selma's wedding video ("Black Widower" note ).
- Also from "Black Widower"
- Discus Stu hitting on Bart during the Odyssey segment of "Tales from the Public Domain," a reference to the acceptance of pedophilia within ancient Greek society.
- Also from the Odyssey segment, we have Ned Flanders as Priam's Accidental Innuendo line regarding the Trojan Horse. Which is lampshaded by Homer's laughter afterwards:
- Marge whispering to Homer what the Washington Monument resembles on the season 3 episode "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington" note . ("Oh, grow up, Marge!")
- On the season eight episode, "Homer's Phobia," John tells Marge that Helen Lovejoy's "cuffs and collar don't match"note . On the commentary, the writers are still amazed that the censors let that slide past (despite that "Homer's Phobia" was almost banned for its content — at the time, doing an episode about homosexuality and homophobia was either not done or written as a very special dramatic episode. It was saved from being banned thanks to a change in management, but the censors still asked the writers to remove or tone down some lines for being too homophobic or sexually suggestive for primetime TV).
- In the episode "Brother From the Same Planet", Homer and Bart are having an argument. Homer asks Bart if he remembers how he used to have fun pushing him on the swing, which Bart denies, and says he was "faking it". Homer calls him a liar, and Bart then enthusiastically starts to say "Higher, Dad, Higher! Whee!" to prove his point.
- In one episode a sign reads "Sneed's Feed and Seed" and in smaller letters "formerly Chuck's." You can see where they were going with this...note
- In a recent episode ("Flaming Moe"; not to be confused with the season three episode where Homer invents a fiery cocktail and Moe lies and says he invented it so his bar can have more business), Smithers and Moe open a gay bar, and at one point Mr. Burns comes in to see what Smithers has done. A Manly Gay hollers at them, saying "Hey, Smithers, I didn't know you were a geezer-pleaser! Having a lemon party?"
- Burns's reply: "Ohoho! A good old-fashioned lemon party! I call first squeeze!"
- Lemon Party was also referenced one season later in "Politically Inept with Homer Simpson"note when Homer mistakes the Founding Fathers signing the Declaration of Independence for the shock site ("What is this, a bicentennial Lemon Party?").
- Burns's reply: "Ohoho! A good old-fashioned lemon party! I call first squeeze!"
- On the DVD commentary, the writers were surprised they got away with "Flaming Moe's" (the season three episode in which Homer creates that alcoholic cocktail out of Krusty Brand kids' cough syrup, not the later-era episode where Moe and Smithers revamp Moe's as a gay bar), though "moe" (meaning "homo," not pronounced "mo-ay") isn't that common a slang term.
- Not to mention what else cough syrup is used to secretly produce...
- The 451st episode ("Once Upon a Time in Springfield") had Anne Hathaway as Princess Penelope to bring in more female viewers for Krustys show. It turns out she's had a crush on Krusty since she was little, then makes out with him. The act ends when Krusty's trick boutonniere squirts.
- From the Treehouse of Horror episode with the dolphins: "Don't forget - we invented computers, leg warmers, bendy straws, peel-and-eat shrimp, the glory hole, AND the pudding cup!"
- In "The President Wore Pearls", after dropping off Lisa at her new school, Otto muses "I guess this story has a happy ending after all. Just like my last massage."
- Roger Myers' reply to Marge's concerns over the violence in Itchy 'n Scratchy.
- From King Homer in "Treehouse of Horror III" (in probably one of the rare times that Mr. Burns seems like he knows that Smithers is a homosexual, though it probably doesn't count since Halloween episodes are non-canon):
- On the season 12 episode "HOMR" (the episode in which Homer discovers that the reason why he's dumb is because of a crayon he had lodged in his head as a kid) had this exchange between Lisa and Marge (which could be taken as an innuendo):
- An episode featured Homer working as an ice-cream man and Marge using the used sticks to make wood figurines (season 18's "Ice Cream of Margie With the Light Blue Hair"). A later scene in the bedroom says that Homer has "...never been happier giving Marge wood".
- During the episode where Mrs Krabappel gets fired for hitting Bart (the season 22 finale, "The Ned-liest Catch"), at the part where Bart tries to break her out of a rubber room (a waiting room for teachers who are about to be fired), she says, "I'm a teacher in a bathroom with a student. That's why most of these people are here in the first place."
- In "Much Apu About Nothing", Apu reveals that he came to America to attend Springfield Heights Institute of Technology. The initials are never shown, but smart viewers will know what it spells out.
- During Maggie's dream in "The Fight Before Christmas", all of the normal characters are muppet versions of themselves, except for guest-star Katy Perry, who in the dream is Moe's girlfriend and also a live action human being. As you may expect, this makes her much taller than Moe. After the credits have rolled, Moe is shown repeatedly jumping up so he can be near her face long enough to give her a kiss, and repeatedly failing. Finally he says that he'll just kiss her bellybutton...and his aim's a little bit low.
- Season nine's "Bart Star" had a flashback in which Lenny wore a shirt with "Bull shirt" written on it.
- The season 16 episode, "Fat Man and Little Boy" has Bart selling T-shirts with sarcastic slogans on them as a means to cope with the fact that he lost his final baby tooth and isn't going to be a child anymore. One of the shirts he sells reads "Pobody's Sherfect, Nithead".
- Speaking of raunchy shirt slogans, the season seven episode "Two Bad Neighbors" note had a shirt Homer once wore that reads, "Ayatollah Assahola." The only reason the writers and animators got away with that was that one of the two "S"'s was always obscured. This was also the same case in "Hurricane Neddy" from season eight during the scene where one of Flanders' kids wears a "Butthole Surfers" T-shirt (the last part of "butthole" was obscured by a T-shirt wrinkle).
- It's surprising much of "Natural Born Kissers" even got on the air (The writers on the DVD commentary even said that this episode had a lot of censorship issues -- most centered on the nudity).
- It's only for a couple frames, but Marge's breasts are visible in this episode (albeit from a distance and with Barbie Doll Anatomy).
- The Jerry Rude scene from "Monty Can't Buy Me Love" contains some of the raciest lines in the history of the show. These lines stand out, in particular.
- From "Last Tap Dance in Springfieldnote : she and Marge are watching a movie about "El Tango de la Muerte". It features a shy, nerdy librarian who becomes a hot dancer and a Mexican expy of Milhouse who, after seeing the girl going away with a handsome man, says this:
- From "A Tale of Two Springfields", after the other side of the town discovers gold
- "Two Dozen and one Greyhounds", where Santa's Little Helper finds a mate, was developed so the writers could get this exchange in, somewhat subverting the trope in the process:
- A similar joke was done on "O, Brother Where Art Thou?"note , where Bart calls Homer's long-lost half-brother a "bastard" — not as an insult, but because Herb was born out of wedlock (for context: Grampa Simpson had sex with a dunk-tank worker at a carnival who liked to have sex with men for money. When she came back a year later, she had baby Herb in her arms and the two decided to give him up for adoption, since neither of them wanted him). It Crosses the Line Twice when Bart begins singing, "Bastard" nine times during the family drive home from the hospital.
- In the UK, "bastard" is a much harsher curse word than it is in America (or even Australia) and when the episode aired, some UK TV channels either cut the entire scene after Homer tells Grampa that he's going to find his brother or cut off after Bart explains that he was using "bastard" in the "child of unmarried parents" sense, and not the rude word for a person.
- Homer calling "GBM" (a "gay black male") in "El Viaje Misterioso De Nuestro Jomer"note .
- In "Bart the Mother" Skinner names a list of extinct and endangered birds such as the titmouse, the booby, the woodcock, and the titpecker (even though they're still alive in Real Life).
- The episode "Skinner's Sense of Snow" has two standouts. After suffering much verbal abuse at the hands of Principal Skinner, Groundskeeper Willie announces he'll do no more work with the line "That's the last time you'll slap your Willie around." Later, while tied up in a burlap sack used to store dodgeballs, Skinner tells the school hamster "Quick, Nibbles, chew through my ballsack." The hamster squeaks in disgust and leaves.
- From "Hurricane Neddy," when Flanders' doctor was showing him film footage of how he used to act as a kid:
- Black-Eyed, Please," when Ned punches Homer. He wants Homer to punch him ("Eye for an Eye") and shows up at the power plant.
- Earlier in the same episode, a substitute teacher named Ms Cantwell is introduced, and Skinner tells the children not to make the obvious joke with her name. He then proceeds to consult a depressed teacher named Dick Testiclees.
- A similar joke was made back in "Separate Vocations" when Skinner assured another teacher that "no one will make fun of your name anymore, Mr. Glascock."
- Earlier in the same episode, a substitute teacher named Ms Cantwell is introduced, and Skinner tells the children not to make the obvious joke with her name. He then proceeds to consult a depressed teacher named Dick Testiclees.
- In Thirty Minutes over Tokyo:
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—>Bart: And?
—>Homer: Let's just say the stories about him are greatly exaggerated.
- In "I Love Lisa", Chief Wiggum tells the kids that he met Krusty (and got tickets to his anniversary special) while eating popcorn in a porno theater (in a reference to what happened to Paul Reubens after Pee Wees Playhouse ended in the early 1990s):
- There is also THIS gem from The Joy of Sect:
- Disco Stu is certainly someone that keeps the Simpsons censors busy, but his one scene from Little Big Mom is worth a mention:
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Sounds like the show is in a constant war to get as edgy as it can, but it also sounds like the radar is pretty strict with it. A lot of that — implied homosexuality, swearing, and sexual references — would qualify as Parental Bonus more than Radar, though. Probably needs a fine-toothed comb applied, particularly if some of the jokes would work better as other tropes.
For example, we have Something Else Also Rises, so anything that belongs there should go there, not Radar — that trope is specifically for subtle (or not-so-subtle) erection jokes.
edited 24th Oct '13 1:44:57 PM by Fighteer
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I'll see about moving some of the ones I know go into other tropes tonight.
Give a detailed reason, too.
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