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Unclear Description: Adult Fear get usage counts

 26 the Adeptrogue, Mon, 23rd Sep '13 4:08:46 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up]I suppose the second definition would work better if the trope is to be about parents specifically. That said, I believe the first definition could work as its own trope, i.e. "Bad things happen to children on-screen" to avert Empathy Doll Shot perhaps

 27 X Fllo, Mon, 23rd Sep '13 5:22:42 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
I would actually like if we make Internal Subtrope or soft split the page. One section would list fear of hurting children, and next would be the rest.

However, I think it can lean into Audience Reaction sometimes.

I was cleaning the page from natter and Word Cruft some time ago as nearly every example started with "Imagine you are" or "Imagine your child is" — it was extremely Narmy after a while.

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I support the idea of splitting the trope. Here's how I think it should work:
  • Parental Nightmares (name taken from Snopes): This would be for incidents involving a parent's realistic reactions to something bad happening to their children, realistic or otherwise. The current page image for this would go there.
  • Reality Is Scarier: This is for realistic problems being treated as more dire than monsters or other fantasy elements.
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 30 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Sep '13 2:06:36 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Reality Is Scarier sounds like a trope about when a fictional event ignores scary implications of the Real Life counterpart.

Really? I was reading an emphasis on the problems of reality, instead of the fictional.
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 32 the Adeptrogue, Sun, 29th Sep '13 9:29:35 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Considering that we have a trope called Nothing Is Scarier that emphasizes on how a lack of obvious threat is scarier than the actual threat, I think a trope called Reality Is Scarier should invoke the same implication.

 33 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Sep '13 9:51:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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There is also Reality Is Unrealistic to watch out for.

 34 nrjxll, Sun, 29th Sep '13 3:58:47 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I still think Reality Is Scarier isn't really a trope so much as certain people venting.

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Would Reality Is Scarier be applicable in story's that don't have any monsters or ghosts or international hitmen for the mundane threats to be contrasted against?
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 36 Larkmarn, Fri, 4th Oct '13 8:04:03 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
How about Realistic Fear?

That's better.

Bumping this due to stalling. Okay, no idea if we're still splitting, sentiment seems to be yes but we still seem a bit uncertain what goes where and what we name it so anyway we can handle this?

 39 X Fllo, Sat, 19th Oct '13 2:13:55 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
I made a page action crowner. I added six options based on this discussion. I hope I got it right, but feel free to add more.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/AdultFear

 40 nrjxll, Sat, 19th Oct '13 2:45:47 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Not sure that crowner really works.

 41 0dd1, Sat, 19th Oct '13 11:27:15 PM from Nowhere Land Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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[up]Why not?

Anyway, I'm casting in my hat in favor of what was presented in these two posts.
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 42 nrjxll, Sun, 20th Oct '13 1:25:29 AM Relationship Status: Not war
Well, it's not really an accurate reflection of what's been discussed in the thread. There's a general consensus that if "Parental Fear" is split off, the trope that's left is going to be renamed to something like Realistic Fear. Meanwhile, I personally still hold that Realistic Fear isn't really a trope at all - at best, it's a functionally-indistinguishable variant on Nightmare Fuel.

 43 Septimus Heap, Sun, 20th Oct '13 1:31:44 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I don't think it's too late to add such an option.

 44 nrjxll, Sun, 20th Oct '13 1:35:03 AM Relationship Status: Not war
I kind of think it is. The "hard split" option is leading massively and the "rename" option is in the red, even though they shouldn't have been mutually exclusive. Although the issue is really more that the crowner was launched too early. We haven't really discussed whether Adult Fear is a good name for the Realistic Fear part of the trope, or whether Realistic Fear is tropable, at all.

edited 20th Oct '13 1:35:21 AM by nrjxll

 45 X Fllo, Sun, 20th Oct '13 2:44:48 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
It's been just a few hours. Feel free to add that option. The crowner can stay open for a long time. It can easily be swung to something else, especially if you present arguments why that would be the best choice.

ETA: The discussion was stalling and no new options or ideas were suggested. If you think I was too hasty, we can close it and discuss it some more, and then make a new crowner.

edited 20th Oct '13 2:49:15 AM by XFllo

You might've thought there was general concensus, but that's why we have a crowner. I never agreed that a rename was required in this case, and although I know the opinion is unpopular, I wouldn't mind the change to audience reaction.

AR tropes don't really become objective just because the creator is trying to create those emotions. This trope is about a character feeling something that the audience is supposed to sympathize with. These are not a Primal Fear, but a learned behavior. You aren't born feeling worried about being able to pay for your mortgage.
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 47 X Fllo, Sun, 20th Oct '13 8:51:31 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
I added option #7: Hard split the page and turn Adult Fear into a disambiguation page. Both new tropes will have a new name (Realistic Fear and Parental Fear).

Added #8: nrjxll was talking about a complete cut of the non-Parental fear examples.
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Depending on where the non-kid related examples go, I'm in favour for either being tagged as Audience Reaction though I wouldn't mind if neither or just one were.

edited 20th Oct '13 11:07:17 AM by treelo

 50 nrjxll, Sun, 20th Oct '13 1:25:57 PM Relationship Status: Not war
The problem with making it an audience reaction would be that it would be mostly indistinguishable from Nightmare Fuel.

Page Action: Adult Fear
19th Oct '13 1:57:33 PM
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