Unclear Description: Adult Fear get usage counts

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26 theAdeptrogue23rd Sep 2013 04:08:46 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
[up]I suppose the second definition would work better if the trope is to be about parents specifically. That said, I believe the first definition could work as its own trope, i.e. "Bad things happen to children on-screen" to avert Empathy Doll Shot perhaps
27 XFllo23rd Sep 2013 05:22:42 AM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
I would actually like if we make Internal Subtrope or soft split the page. One section would list fear of hurting children, and next would be the rest.

However, I think it can lean into Audience Reaction sometimes.

I was cleaning the page from natter and Word Cruft some time ago as nearly every example started with "Imagine you are" or "Imagine your child is" — it was extremely Narmy after a while.

I support the idea of splitting the trope. Here's how I think it should work:
  • Parental Nightmares (name taken from Snopes): This would be for incidents involving a parent's realistic reactions to something bad happening to their children, realistic or otherwise. The current page image for this would go there.
  • Reality Is Scarier: This is for realistic problems being treated as more dire than monsters or other fantasy elements.
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30 SeptimusHeap29th Sep 2013 02:06:36 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
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Reality Is Scarier sounds like a trope about when a fictional event ignores scary implications of the Real Life counterpart.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Really? I was reading an emphasis on the problems of reality, instead of the fictional.
32 theAdeptrogue29th Sep 2013 09:29:35 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Considering that we have a trope called Nothing Is Scarier that emphasizes on how a lack of obvious threat is scarier than the actual threat, I think a trope called Reality Is Scarier should invoke the same implication.
33 SeptimusHeap29th Sep 2013 09:51:31 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
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There is also Reality Is Unrealistic to watch out for.
34 nrjxll29th Sep 2013 03:58:47 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I still think Reality Is Scarier isn't really a trope so much as certain people venting.
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Would Reality Is Scarier be applicable in story's that don't have any monsters or ghosts or international hitmen for the mundane threats to be contrasted against?
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36 Larkmarn4th Oct 2013 08:04:03 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
How about Realistic Fear?
That's better.
Bumping this due to stalling. Okay, no idea if we're still splitting, sentiment seems to be yes but we still seem a bit uncertain what goes where and what we name it so anyway we can handle this?
39 XFllo19th Oct 2013 02:13:55 PM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
I made a page action crowner. I added six options based on this discussion. I hope I got it right, but feel free to add more.

40 nrjxll19th Oct 2013 02:45:47 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Not sure that crowner really works.
41 Odd119th Oct 2013 11:27:15 PM from Nowhere Land , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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[up]Why not?

Anyway, I'm casting in my hat in favor of what was presented in these two posts.
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42 nrjxll20th Oct 2013 01:25:29 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
Well, it's not really an accurate reflection of what's been discussed in the thread. There's a general consensus that if "Parental Fear" is split off, the trope that's left is going to be renamed to something like Realistic Fear. Meanwhile, I personally still hold that Realistic Fear isn't really a trope at all - at best, it's a functionally-indistinguishable variant on Nightmare Fuel.
43 SeptimusHeap20th Oct 2013 01:31:44 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
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I don't think it's too late to add such an option.
44 nrjxll20th Oct 2013 01:35:03 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
I kind of think it is. The "hard split" option is leading massively and the "rename" option is in the red, even though they shouldn't have been mutually exclusive. Although the issue is really more that the crowner was launched too early. We haven't really discussed whether Adult Fear is a good name for the Realistic Fear part of the trope, or whether Realistic Fear is tropable, at all.

edited 20th Oct '13 1:35:21 AM by nrjxll

45 XFllo20th Oct 2013 02:44:48 AM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
It's been just a few hours. Feel free to add that option. The crowner can stay open for a long time. It can easily be swung to something else, especially if you present arguments why that would be the best choice.

ETA: The discussion was stalling and no new options or ideas were suggested. If you think I was too hasty, we can close it and discuss it some more, and then make a new crowner.

edited 20th Oct '13 2:49:15 AM by XFllo

Could we just... not have Death anymore?
You might've thought there was general concensus, but that's why we have a crowner. I never agreed that a rename was required in this case, and although I know the opinion is unpopular, I wouldn't mind the change to audience reaction.

AR tropes don't really become objective just because the creator is trying to create those emotions. This trope is about a character feeling something that the audience is supposed to sympathize with. These are not a Primal Fear, but a learned behavior. You aren't born feeling worried about being able to pay for your mortgage.
47 XFllo20th Oct 2013 08:51:31 AM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
I added option #7: Hard split the page and turn Adult Fear into a disambiguation page. Both new tropes will have a new name (Realistic Fear and Parental Fear).
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Added #8: nrjxll was talking about a complete cut of the non-Parental fear examples.
Depending on where the non-kid related examples go, I'm in favour for either being tagged as Audience Reaction though I wouldn't mind if neither or just one were.

edited 20th Oct '13 11:07:17 AM by treelo

50 nrjxll20th Oct 2013 01:25:57 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
The problem with making it an audience reaction would be that it would be mostly indistinguishable from Nightmare Fuel.

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19th Oct '13 1:57:33 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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