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Misused (titles crowner 10/13/13): History Marches On get usage counts

This trope was recently marked as a Trivia entry. While going through the examples to move them to the Trivia/ subpage, may of them were examples of possibly either Artistic License History, Hilarious in Hindsight, Harsher in Hindsight, "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, The Great Politics Mess-Up, and Dewey Defeats Truman, the last of which is doing rather poorly.

This trope is about how a portrayal of historical event becomes inaccurate as new discoveries occur, yet much of its use is about future events.

Misuse appears significant just from going through the first few work examples, meaning there could be more in potholes and other pages.

Check on every four links excluding foreign language pages to History Marches On, a total of 41.

Correct

  1. Agatha Christie
  2. Amadeus
  3. A Night to Remember
  4. Historical In-Joke
  5. Independence Day
  6. Lost in the Maize
  7. Midway
  8. Older Than Dirt
  9. Older Than They Think/Other
  10. Rasputinian Death
  11. Richard III
  12. Semper Fi
  13. Star Trek
  14. Draco in Leather Pants/Theatre
  15. The Hunt for Red October
  16. Unsolved Mysteries

Misuse

  1. Cracked (Dewey Defeats Truman)
  2. Dark Angel (Dewey Defeats Truman)
  3. Dewey Defeats Truman (Current events surpassed a story)
  4. Enron The Smartest Guys In The Room ("Funny Aneurysm" Moment)
  5. Family Guy Presents: Laugh It Up, Fuzzball (Hilarious in Hindsight)
  6. Hockey Night in Canada (Hilarious in Hindsight)
  7. Jack Ryan (Artistic License History)
  8. Kagemusha
  9. Power Rangers S.P.D. (Dewey Defeats Truman)
  10. Ridiculous Future Inflation (potholed in a statement on the price of soda from a long time ago)
  11. Sharin No Kuni (seems to be a statement saying, "life goes on")
  12. Status Quo Is God (same as above)
  13. The Carol Burnett Show
  14. The Naked Gun (Hilarious in Hindsight)
  15. The Statler Brothers (Hilarious in Hindsight)
  16. Threads (The Great Politics Mess-Up)
  17. Yankee Doodle Dandy (The example describes the complete opposite. What was known then is unfamiliar to viewers now)

Unclear

  1. A Song Of Ice And Fire House Targaryen Ancestors
  2. Billy Joel
  3. Cartoon History of the Universe (Seems to be about use of a religious text in favor of historical account)
  4. Down Periscope (Something happened in 1995, but the film was released in 1996)
  5. The Secret World

Zero-Context Example

  1. Master Poisoner
  2. Royal Harem
  3. The Government


  • Total of 41 links
  • 16 correct
  • 17 misuse
  • 8 unclear
  • 41% misuse
  • 60% misuse + unclear

edited 1st Sep '13 6:42:36 PM by MikuruFan

Anyone?

 3 Septimus Heap, Mon, 2nd Sep '13 1:13:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
I am here. I've been reading through the last Septimus Heap and it's a long read - many tangled plotlines.

This one has less than 200 wicks and inbounds so I can see a rename.

There are many snowclones. Science Marches On and Technology Marches On are the ones I can think of, but I do not think those could cause problems because science and technology advance as time goes on.

History is different. History can advance either as time goes on or when we learn more about past events. The second one is the correct definition, but it's not as apparent. A rename and clarification is something that could be done.

Disambiguation is probably the best solution for the current name, as well.
Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
Agree. There are so many tropes confused for this one that a disambiguation is a better idea.

Dewey Defeats Truman only has 19 wicks.

edited 2nd Sep '13 1:44:53 PM by MikuruFan

The Song of Ice and Fire one is Artistic License History.

Crowner made: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/HistoryMarchesOn?open=all#8ygilf6s
Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
 9 Willbyr, Wed, 18th Sep '13 9:49:48 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
[up] Crowner's hooked.
8:0 - needs more votes
Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
What tropes would be included in the disambiguation?

My suggestion is the list of tropes in the first post.

edited 7th Oct '13 6:29:16 PM by MikuruFan

That's good enough for me. But what about correct usage?
Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
There should be an explanation at the top. It should say something along the lines of. "this title used to describe New Trope Title and it was being misused with the following tropes:" and then a list.

The one I have in mind is Dropped a Bridget on Him as an idea.

edited 7th Oct '13 6:50:36 PM by MikuruFan

Is Dated History a bad name?
 
 15 Native Jovian, Tue, 8th Oct '13 1:24:45 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I actually rather like that one.
 16 Septimus Heap, Tue, 8th Oct '13 1:27:39 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Aye, I like that as well.

I was worried it might be too precious.
 
 18 Nohbody, Tue, 8th Oct '13 6:39:20 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Is anyone taking a stab at the disambig?
 
A disambig would really need just a short sentence and a list of associated tropes. Here's my try at it. There may or may not be explanations after each trope name, but the first one's a sample of what it should look like.


The title, "History Marches On, " formerly referred to the trope now known as Insert Trope Name. History can progress in two ways, so Insert Trope Name was repeatedly misused for the following tropes:

Please change any wicks to point to the correct page.


edited 11th Oct '13 10:13:27 PM by MikuruFan

 21 Willbyr, Fri, 11th Oct '13 6:18:32 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling the crowner for the proposed reworking.
Only name suggested so far is Dated History. Any others?

 23 Native Jovian, Fri, 11th Oct '13 10:03:51 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
The only other suggestions I can come up with are variants like Outdated History.
Petting Zoo Person
Dated History sounds good to me.
I must be cruel, but to be kind That bad may begin, and worse be left behind
I am torn between Dated History and Outdated History.

Alternative Titles: History Marches On
12th Oct '13 10:49:22 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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