Global terrorism thread

Not really surprised that people who would willingly marry Daesh fighters would be so incredibly benevolent (the last part is sarcasm).

You guys need to read more African and Near Eastern folklore. The jealous wife and the unloved young concubine tale is as old as the hills. Sometimes, the wife kills the girl and suffers an educational fate worse than death. Sometimes she helps the girl escape back to her family... and, they both suffer educational fates worse than death. Mostly, the first wife become a Queen Bitch and takes it out on everybody else and their kids, leading to an intergenerational hate game that becomes vendetta central and honour-killings a-go-go... (see the history of the Zulu Empire and/or any given Byzantine or Ottoman regime you care to look at).

Rarely, the wives gang up on the guy and make him suffer. And, then they all suffer an educational fate worse than death, generally speaking — even if very funny ones (those tales are usually absurdist comedy).

In short: jealous wife saving abused slave/ new wife because of being a jealous, envious green-eyed monster on stilts who just wants the (scheming, husband-stealing, husband-bewitching) interloper gone, but doesn't want to commit murder to do it? Not. New. (And, not restricted to Africa and Asia, either: try Utah.)

It's a very human reaction to a situation neither woman had much say in. Divide and conquer the girls, eh, lads?

edited 26th Jun '17 5:54:32 AM by Euodiachloris

Also, let's not stereotype. A twitter isn't a scientific study, and I doubt "ISIS wives" are all of one mind regarding the situation they are in.

Those points are true, but a judgement of people who (willfully) married IS fighters is not a stereotype or prejudicial. That last part itself is a fact you can certainly make educated judgements based upon.

Agreed. Context matters and willingly marrying a Daesh fighter on your own volition does not say good things about you.

edited 26th Jun '17 3:16:45 PM by Fourthspartan56

You can never make such assertions.

Some of those are very much arranged marriages. As in: "Congratulations! Your cousin-husband has become radicalised and has decided you're all off to Syria, whether you like it or not! Too bad you've only been married for, like, 8 months and didn't know this was going to happen!"

And, yes, you'll have the rabid little girl who was radicalised herself just after her first period/ during her first week at college, upped-sticks and decided to marry a fighter for Islam (or whatever she thought she was getting into) — but, the odds are good that it was nothing like what she expected (including free rotating slave girls he will spend more time with than you).

To kidnapped girls/ women/ conveniently-recently-made-widows who just happened to avoid becoming slaves themselves because they were "lucky" enough not to be declared either a heretic or apostate thanks to their background or looks, so qualified for a "good Islamic wedding"... and, have since become desperate to not be seen as one of the slaves for very, very good reasons.

You. Don't. Know. Enough.

Another thing to chew on: a lot of these husbands and wives? Under the age of 18 — we're talking child soldiers, child grooms and child brides. And, locals as well as foreigners. Who have been pumped full of lies. And, scared for months. Their PTSD and deprogramming is the least of the mess society around them has to deal with. -_-

edited 27th Jun '17 5:32:13 AM by Euodiachloris

Touche, I suppose that's fair enough.

Thanks, Euo.

Yeah I suspect that once you account for the arranged marriages, the child brides, the kidnapped, the tricked, the pre-existing, the conscripted and similar you end up with a very small number of people who actually gave informed consent.

Odds on that applies to a chunk of ISIS's fighting force as well as the women involved.

And you know how a slave-based culture keeps control of it's slaves? You place them in a hierarchy, and set one group of slaves to control the others.

edited 26th Jun '17 6:52:44 PM by DeMarquis

edited 27th Jun '17 3:13:31 AM by TheHandle

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/colombia-farc-rebels-complete-disarmament-un-231553137.html

FARC is completely disarmed and UN representatives on site are supervising destruction of their weapons, 'cept for some used for securing demobilization sites.

Timoshenko promises that he'll make sure anyone who was affected by their actions will get compensated from their assets.

edited 27th Jun '17 7:05:47 PM by Ominae

And that leaves what, 1 or 2 significant armed groups still operating in Columbia.

Would be nice for at least one Forever War to finally come to an end soon...

ELN is doing its separate thing, which makes it better now they allowed the abducted journalists to leave.

Looks like someone tried to copycat the London mosque attack in Paris.

Part of me is morbidly curious what would happen if ISIS sympathizers tried some shit in Ireland and invoked the wrath of the IRA. Nothing good, for anyone involved. Those IRA folk were vicious.

Might be good material for a book.

edited 29th Jun '17 6:30:44 PM by MarkVonLewis

Which IRA?

I recall a fairly dumb TV series that "simulated" a Taliban vs. PIRA matchup.

However I don't want to rediscover details at the moment.

Deadliest Warrior's "IRA vs Taliban episode.

It's a bit cringeworthy how they hype up each side.

But, yeah, insurgents world wide have a lot in common.

The differences between insurgents is largely in the details of their motivation. Cold War era terrorists (RAF, IRA, ETA) had clear goals and political demands.

A researcher for the Finnish National Defence University who focused on terrorism in terms of its fighting doctrine, pointed out that religious "true believers" often do not follow anything nearly as coherent. Their perception of reality is different, even if the methods are the same.

edited 30th Jun '17 2:20:12 AM by TerminusEst

NVM, thought better about posting the rant.

edited 3rd Jul '17 12:31:38 PM by M84

Thats ok, and very understandable, but Im sure you must realize that its basic human psychology. We are wired to focus on the vivid and unusual. Thats why people are afraid to swim in the sea after a shark attack, even if the are hundreds of miles away from where it happened, and months later. Someone will cancel an airline ticket after a well publicized crash, then get in their car and drive to their destination instead. And we all project human agency when something happens to us. After a disaster, the traumatized survivors will share rumor and innuendo that it was somehow a gov conspiracy. Get bit by one dog as a child, and we project evil feelings on dogs for the rest of our lives. We just arent meant to be rational creatures. Celebrate, instead, that in spite of all of that, you have somehow learned to become aware of it, and even overcome it. We dont give up, we just try harder.

Edit- well shoot. Now no one will have any idea what Im talking about. Oh well.

edited 3rd Jul '17 12:42:08 PM by DeMarquis

Sorry about that.

These days, I make a point of trying not assuming an incident is terrorism unless the authorities specifically decide to treat it as such.

edited 3rd Jul '17 12:46:20 PM by M84