Unclear Description: Peace And Love Incorporated get usage counts

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1 SmytheOrdo5th Aug 2013 02:59:30 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
...What the heck is this?

The description is a cute gimmick, but it tells us virtually nothing about what the trope is or what it is used for. I propose a rewrite and move the current to Self Demonstrating.
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Fixed the tag.

Yep. Page relies entirely on sinkholes to get the point across. It fails as a trope description. A clearer description makes sense here.

The Laconic doesn't help much either, since Stepford Smiler has many meanings.

In fact, if one visits the discussion page, two people had to go there to find out what it means.

edited 5th Aug '13 3:55:57 PM by MikuruFan

3 StarSword5th Aug 2013 04:04:56 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Which, incidentally is basically Path of Inspiration but for corporations: a company that passes itself off as benevolent but isn't.

Description definitely needs help, and it has a bit of a problem with ZCEs.

edited 5th Aug '13 4:05:34 PM by StarSword

4 nrjxll5th Aug 2013 04:35:42 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I hate self-demonstrating descriptions.

Apart from that, the other major issue I see is distinguishing it from We Care.
5 SmytheOrdo5th Aug 2013 05:49:31 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Maybe we should delete the page altogether.
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That's for In-Universe advertising. Though I don't see how public image is unrelated to advertising.
7 nrjxll5th Aug 2013 07:22:36 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]No, it's definitely a trope. It just has a bad - well, okay, awful - description and some overlap with another trope.

edited 5th Aug '13 7:22:57 PM by nrjxll

8 SeptimusHeap6th Aug 2013 12:14:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
We Care is about In-Universe advertising. As for this, how does this look for a description:

      
This corporation has a non-business record that sounds to good to be true - and is too good to be true.

They often are a Mega Corp., but they effectively hide it behind linguistic impact lesseners. They frequently hide questionable business practices behind "environmental initiatives" and general We Care advertising campaigns.

Kind of a subtrope of Villain with Good Publicity. See also Corrupt Corporate Executive, who is often at the helm of such a business.
I'm not a fan of the elements of the second paragraph held over from the current description.

[down]But did you really have to keep "linguistic impact lesseners"?

edited 6th Aug '13 2:55:06 AM by MorganWick

10 SeptimusHeap6th Aug 2013 01:13:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Well, a description does need some stuff about how the trope manifests.
11 SeptimusHeap8th Aug 2013 03:02:58 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Well, nobody has said why I should yank it.

Also, please reply in a post, not by editing a previous one. Not everybody compulsorily checks previous posts for edits.
I don't particularly understand why people "reply by editing" either, but sometimes it does seem more like the natural approach, even if the only reason one would even think of it as an option is because other people do it.

I would probably replace the first two paragraphs with something like this - not this exactly, but something like it:
This corporation has a non-business record that sounds to good to be true - and is too good to be true. They may hide their questionable business practices behind euphemisms like "environmental initiatives" and general We Care advertising campaigns. Often a Mega Corp..
[down]I like it for an actual self-demonstrating article, but it's unnecessary for a straight description. Frankly, I'm not happy I kept the "environmental initiatives" bit.

edited 8th Aug '13 1:12:22 PM by MorganWick

13 AnotherDuck8th Aug 2013 12:28:12 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I kinda like the wording "linguistic impact lesseners", as it's self-demonstrating while still being relatively clear. The context makes it clearer as well.

And I use the edit-to-reply thing when I don't want an answer, like if it would derail (further).
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14 SmytheOrdo8th Aug 2013 08:48:57 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Move the current to Self Demonstrating.
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We need a clear description first.
16 SmytheOrdo8th Aug 2013 08:54:35 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Alright. So what's the difference between this and We Care?
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We Care is about In-Universe advertising, though I don't think advertising and public image are completely unrelated.
18 SmytheOrdo8th Aug 2013 08:58:36 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
For Laconic: This corporation projects an extremely benevolent image publically, when behind closed doors they are anything but.
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Anything's better than the current one. Describing a trope as X Meets Y is pretty poor for laconic standards.
20 SmytheOrdo8th Aug 2013 09:37:28 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Laconic is fixed.
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The Stinger for the Laconic also suffers from sinkholing that carries over from the Self Demonstrating description, but plenty of stingers are.
22 SmytheOrdo9th Aug 2013 11:51:46 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
A little help with how to do my first Main description writeup would be nice.
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I think you're missing the whole thread.
24 SmytheOrdo12th Aug 2013 10:23:58 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Used Septimus's description.
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Whoa, I think we need to crowner that first. Maybe a little more discussion too.

Page Action: Peace And Love Incorporated
28th Aug '13 4:09:00 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
Peace And Love Incorporated is currently a Self Demonstrating Article that relies on sinkholed euphemisms to get the point across.

All options, except "do nothing," will involve moving the current description to the SelfDemonstrating/ namespace.

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