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Duplicate Trope: Instant Awesome Just Add Ninja get usage counts

 1 Spark 9, Sun, 28th Jul '13 6:58:45 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Just like the "Everything's X with Y" set of tropes, the "Instant X just add Y" tropes are about how a work is simply better if it contains some Y, in this case ninja. In practice, Instant Awesome, Just Add Ninja has become a set of tropes commonly associated with ninja, as well as a list of works that focus on ninj'ing, or that contain a ninja somewhere.

However, we also have the straightforward page Ninja, which is exactly the same thing, as well as an index of Ninja Tropes which covers the trope list once more. This strikes me as clear duplication: Instant Awesome, Just Add Ninja is simply the same page as, and has no other purpose than, Ninja.

If you see a bit of deja vu here, well, we just had the exact same discussion about this trope's Pirate equivalent. In this case, IAJAN does have 619 wicks / 494 inbounds, its counterpart Ninja has 1671 wicks / 479 inbounds. Nevertheless I suggest merging the pages, because there's no purpose to having both; and of course a merge would preserve the inbounds. I think the name Ninja which is the clearest and most concise of the two.

Special trousers. Very heroic.
 2 Septimus Heap, Sun, 28th Jul '13 7:41:44 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Seems like the examples mostly overlap. I would be fine with a merge.

Dragon Writer
Can't say I'm surprised to see this, esp. given the precedent set by the pirate equivalent.note 

There could be something worthwhile in having a Random Ninja Encounter or something (as illustrated by the Nanowrimo version of Chandler's Law), but....

edited 28th Jul '13 8:10:22 AM by Stratadrake

But ninja tend to be thrown into a story gratuitously and it's more conspicuous than a gratuitously added pirate because a ninja would be so out of place for the setting (ironic huh?) It also gets called out more.

edited 28th Jul '13 8:40:45 AM by MikuruFan

 5 Septimus Heap, Sun, 28th Jul '13 8:37:51 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That sounds like a reason to rename to Gratuitous Ninja.

Looking through the examples on the trope page, I don't find many examples of ninja in a work about ninja. There's an obviously wrong example for Naruto.

Another observation is that some of these are actually Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot.

 7 Spark 9, Sun, 28th Jul '13 8:55:36 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
The isue with "Gratuitous X" tropes is that they tend to degenerate into a "List of all X in fiction".
Special trousers. Very heroic.
That sounds like what Ninja is to me.

 9 Spark 9, Sun, 28th Jul '13 10:11:55 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes, but so is IAJAN.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Merge with ninja. Optionally, YKTTW "Gratuitous Ninja, " but that shouldn't hold this up.

Seeing the examples on Ninja, the examples on IAJAJ look like they would fit better there, or on its sub tropes.

I'm okay with a merge.

Dragon Writer
^^ I think Random Ninja Encounter would work better than Gratuitous Ninja as a concept (and name), because it implies basically "then, BLAM! Ninja" and not just "ninja appears somewhere in this work", which is the claim against GN.

edited 29th Jul '13 9:21:03 AM by Stratadrake

Random Ninja Encounter sounds good and is more indicative than the current name. I'd vote for it.
 
 14 Septimus Heap, Mon, 29th Jul '13 9:49:25 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
I like that. I would support a plain rename now.

 15 Spark 9, Mon, 29th Jul '13 10:24:36 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up][up] I concur.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
I prefer "BLAM! Ninja!, " but I suppose I'll have to live with Random Ninja Encounter.
 17 Spark 9, Mon, 29th Jul '13 11:10:06 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
"Big Lipped Alligator Ninja"?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 18 Septimus Heap, Mon, 29th Jul '13 11:11:24 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Big Bad Snowclone.

Dragon Writer
I considered phrasing it as "Big Lipped Ninja Moment", but that's also a Bad Snowclone (worse, even).

edited 29th Jul '13 11:43:31 AM by Stratadrake

Guys, I was joking. It was just a reference to Stratadake summarizing the trope as "Blam! Ninja!"
Piffy
Perhaps we could include "and then BLAM! Ninja." in the description? :P
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
So how would people define this trope? Is this supposed to be only about ninja's that appear in situations that normally don't have ninja's, like golfing, or what?

 23 Septimus Heap, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 12:24:47 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
The description is about ninjas being inserted just because. The examples look all like "ninja" to me.

[up]"Just because" as opposed to what?

As opposed to fitting into the universe or environment.

Alternative Titles: Instant Awesome Just Add Ninja
25th Mar '14 12:33:54 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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