Petting Zoo PersonCan we make Riffing a redirect if we do broaden it?
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I think people would confuse it with Epic Riff.
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodDoubtful. "Riffing" is a term that's existed for a while; I'm sure it's not been as long as the musical term (which is what Epic Riff is), but it's been at least since when Mystery Science Theater 3000 was in its prime.
edited 15th Aug '13 6:36:07 PM by ShadowHog
I've got Sunshine!So, when I noticed a ton of MS Ting redlinks in an article I'd created a while ago, I figured I'd look for this thread. I've using seen the term used as MS Ting, and have done so myself even when I was regularly in that community. Mi S Ting is rarer, MST is more common. I'd support a rename to MS Ting as well, but it's not a big deal. It should at least be a redirect to the MST page - it's utterly baffling that such a cut was made without even an attempt to repair so many red links.
edited 31st Aug '13 4:06:29 PM by Rebochan
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My last check on how the page was linked turned up MSTing very rarely. What if someone wanted to use MSTed?
Just awesome like thatI agree completely with Shadow Hog's assessment and feel the definition should be broadened, with perhaps a paragraph or less explaining how it was initially solely a fanfic term or whatever.
I can support broadening it to dedicated snark at other works as opposed to a single Take That.
edited 6th Sep '13 10:06:09 PM by MikuruFan
No, the other one.Well, depending on how it's done. I don't think it necessarily has to be about fanfics, but it has to be in the same style. As in, you have the original story with snarky comments attached to it. Not just clips or something like that.
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Yes, like that.
Puʻu ʻŌʻōI agree with a broadening.
Just awesome like thatOkay, so, we generally agree that the term should be extended to any sort of riffing (defined as making fun of a work by adding humorous commentary atop it) and that a little bit of lip-service should be given to its use as a fanfic term, right? Anyone have the spare time to sandbox a new description?
Dragon Writer>> Sandbox.MST Okay, so if that's the core definition . . . I can't figure out how to expound it at this time. Drawing a blank on how to write up the rest.
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodI've given it a stab. Can't help but think it could use some revision and/or expansion, however. A problem I see with the original description is that it's practically an in-depth history of one specific form of MST/riff (the ones focusing on fanfiction), and as such most of it's superfluous to an expanded definition. I've included some very rudimentary parts of that into my description attempt. I don't think what I omitted is really necessary, but if anyone feels differently, feel free to re-add it, I guess?
Just awesome like thatI think the new description seems good enough. It's descriptive, clear, and to-the-point. It seems to get across everything it needs to get across perfectly. Something I thought of, should this perhaps be also turned into an index? The "MSTers that have their own page" section in there got me thinking that it might be a good idea. I realize the list there is a little bit sparse, but I know I can think of things not in the list there that can be added (e.g. Doug Walker, Brad Jones, and The Last Angry Geek do their own riff videos from time to time, and I know of a channel on YouTube dedicated to riffing on old public domain shorts, though I might need to create a page for him).
edited 15th Sep '13 6:23:17 PM by 0dd1
Anime-tedThe sandbox looks good to me. All the potentials can be added to that page and it can be set to index.
Any work on the sandbox?
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodNot since mid-September.
Would it have a list of examples from media like the one currently on the main page?
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodI want to say it ideally would, but then I added in the "list of MST-ers who have their own page"... and realized that most of the people who do this sort of already get their own work page, which kind of stifles the example list. Maybe, instead of having that list (or index, as I think somebody proposed), they'd just be worked into the example list proper? Of course, the example list from the original article isn't divided by "MST in this medium" but is instead "MST on fanfiction of works in this medium"... We'd have to work around that somehow.
There are many lesser known MSTs too.
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodAdded 0dd1's suggestions. I think I'll need help with the actual example list, though - I really have no clue how to make that work, especially since all the current examples were written with an explicit "riffs on fanfiction" definition, and are not broken up into what medium is being riffed on, so much as it all being riffs on fanfiction, broken up by what medium the original work was in.
edited 11th Nov '13 9:48:47 AM by ShadowHog
Still just awesome like thatPersonally, I don't feel like we really need an examples list for this. If we gave an examples list, it would probably constitute just the ones listed in the sandbox already (plus whoever else has a page that can be added), plus a whole bunch of disparate links to things that cannot really be sorted in any sort of organized fashion. On the other hand, though, I feel like the examples list we have being placed under there would be fine, without much issue. Also, in the index, we probably should briefly mention what each MSTer does. I added tentative descriptions there, though they might need a little work.
edited 11th Nov '13 11:49:44 PM by Odd1
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Avatar by NeoriceisgoodI suppose I should've read the example list a little more closely; there are non-fanfiction examples hiding in there. I've copied and pasted the entire example list from the main article into the sandbox, for now; I'll have to sort through it more closely later tonight (since, y'know, the clock).
Avatar by NeoriceisgoodDouble post, but be done. I think the sandbox is ready to plant onto the Main subspace, if nobody has any egregious objections. Admittedly the index part isn't set up, but I figured it'd be better to wait until that's in the correct namespace; don't want to make a mess.
edited 13th Nov '13 8:47:44 PM by ShadowHog
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