Fixed the article tag.
According to the archived discussion, this was already up for cutting once; the cut was declined because there was no evidence of RL trouble yet. Has this changed?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
What I already outlined to be wrong with the page is all I find wrong with the page.
Again, we got a page dedicated exclusively to Real Life occurrences bleeding into pages for fictional works when it's clearly beyond the intended scope of the page, and there was already a pre-existing trope page for the very occurrences Scare Campaign outlines.
If there was never a problem with Real Life examples to begin with, the No Real Life Examples tag could've been removed from Attack of the Political Ad, and all Real Life could have gone in a folder on that already existing page, no different than any other page collecting Real Life examples. Why would we still need to have two pages?
edited 27th Jul '13 12:19:17 PM by SeanMurrayI
Well, my Webarchive trawl confirmed my first impression: There hasn't been any fighting here.
Speaking of Wayback, your trope Attack of the Political Ad's YKTTW was 2010 but the earliest Wayback capture of Scare Campaign's goes back to 2007, i.e your trope is more recent. So the reason why the NRLEP tag wasn't removed from your trope is more that there was already Scare Campaign for RL examples.
That said, I do not see a problem with the RL examples so far. A "scare campaign" is a form of storytelling (compare Advertising Tropes) and we are all about storytelling and the like.
That said, there seems to be a problem with Scare Campaign being used for any "scare campaign" at all, not just the ones specified by the description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crazy rabid squirrel
I was going to say make Scare Campaign be a subpage of Attack of the Political Ad, but I think it would narrow it down too much.
Get out of my mind, idea! I already have an idea in there!
More so, many examples on Scare Campaign are little more than descriptions of individual Real Life attack ads, rather than describe any sort of broader-focused campaign comprised of several attacks or any methods of getting a negative message across through flat out media saturation.
Heck, we could waive the No Real Life stipulation from Attack of the Political Ad still, especially if we do determine that discussing the real life topic on the wiki causes no problems, and flat-out duplicate most of Scare Campaign's that just describe individual attack ads.
edited 27th Jul '13 12:42:11 PM by SeanMurrayI
Attack of the Political Ad description sounds like it's about exaggerated forms of political ads.
As for Scare Campaign, I think some description rewriting could help.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The description makes it look like it's just the real life section on a separate page. From Opinion Myopia, my understanding is that real life sections as long as the list of occurrences in fiction or longer is a sign of a problem.
This isn't an orthodox Real Life section - its examples always involve fictional storytelling.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I mean the description for Attack of the Political Ad.
I think for now, Scare Campaign's examples should be reviewed to see if there are problems.
I don't see anything wrong with listing real-life examples. The reason why this is a trope in fiction at all because it happens in real life, so it's not surprising that Scare Campaign is longer. And a Scare Campaign is pretty objective. This isn't YMMV. So, I think the trope pages are fine the way they are. Maybe they could use better descriptions, but I wouldn't want to merge or cut.
Image Source. Please update whenever an image is changed.
Keeping a whole page of real life examples separate is counter to the mission of the wiki unless it largely influences fiction. It tells that it influences the Attack of the Political Ad trope. So why not just merge it?
edited 17th Aug '13 9:25:42 AM by MikuruFan
These pages don't resemble each other much:
- Attack of the Political Ad: In-Universe negative political ads, especially the exaggerated or parody-like ones.
- Scare Campaign: Negative political campaigns in general.
Clocking.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerLocking.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
A long while back, when I put what eventually became Attack of the Political Ad through YKTTW, a strict No Real Life Examples notice was placed on the page to emphasize the intention to outline fictional, often exaggerated, forms of political attack ads in storytelling.
However, it appears that at some point after this page was created, somebody decided to bypass the No Real Life Examples notice by making a separate page just for listing Real Life political attack ads.
Problems:
A page merger of some sort certainly shouldn't be out of the question. Though the real debate, perhaps, should be over the validity of such Real Life examples. Given the plethora of subjective opinions surrounding any given Real Life political topic, one person's perceived "scare campaign" is always another person's perceived valid criticism, and it seems beyond the aims and intentions of this wiki to use political trope pages as a platform to criticize certain actions of political groups and campaigns.
edited 27th Jul '13 11:27:45 AM by SeanMurrayI