Needs Help (New Crowner 8/18/13): Stop Helping Me

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This hasn't been touched in a while. Can I just put the sandbox pages into YKTTW or are there some more things to do first?
127 THEBATHEAD23rd May 2014 01:10:53 PM from Fortress of Gorditude
I have an idea for the subjective video game version. "Yeah, I Get It". The Trope Namer is Egoraptor's "Sequelitis" series.
128 IndirectActiveTransport19th Jun 2014 08:39:25 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Laila who?
I'm not sure why a Your Mileage May Vary page is even needed. That should be firmly covered by The Scrappy and Scrappy Mechanic. I like to complain as much as the next person but isn't the wiki's mission statement to keep those kinds of pages to a minimum?
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
129 SeptimusHeap19th Jun 2014 11:50:55 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Because the crowners decided so. Also, I think you are stretching these tropes quite a bit.
130 IndirectActiveTransport20th Jun 2014 01:36:17 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Laila who?
The scrappy is a character audiences dislike. Not a trope to be stretched. Scrappy mechanic is a mechanic that players to do not like. Those are audience reactions.

"This so called help feature used through this character is annoying." is the same audience reaction as the scrappy and scrappy mechanic. The same one. More over it is a negative one and TV tropes is kind of a wiki for people who like things.

Now if I said, character tries to help and fails is the same as The Load or The Millstone, then I might be stretching because those are character tropes who don't necessarily have to try to be helpful or be a hindrance because of their helpfulness. Kyra might as well not have been there for a much help as she was to Gonzales in WWA but Gonzales never complained about Kyra's efforts to help nor was she an active hindrance (just useless) so there is a potential niche for this proposed Stop Helping Me! trope page to only have in story examples. Jillian "singing" Melina's praises or tagging in to accidentally hit Melina with a 450 splash off the top rope to the back of her neck? That's more like help that either is not wanted it is an active hindrance. Still different than a Millstone, as someone could choose to be one of sheer unwillingness to help.

For the audience reactions? Not so much. Democracy's just fine and all but crowners have been overturned, including some I have voted on, before. Does anyone have an argument that for what distinct purpose the separate audience reaction page would serve in the face of two others and policy of discouraging complaining pages? Please, shoo me away with reasons but I think there should be reasons.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Bumping; it looks like an action we can take.
Please help out our The History Of Video Games page.
I think we can launch the Annoying Video Game Helper page. Just do a little cleanup after that and we're good!
Please help out our The History Of Video Games page.
We can do it now. I've finally finished sorting everything.
So how do we rename the trope?
135 Nohbody17th Nov 2014 10:46:57 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
For the video game helper thing, just copy the contents of Sandbox.Annoying Video Game Helper to Annoying Video Game Helper...

AFTER cleaning up the Sandbox page of all the other problems it has, like Natter and Example Indentation. tongue
There is a God. His name is Finagle, and Murphy is his prophet.
136 crazyrabbits19th May 2015 10:56:40 AM from Mississauga, ON, Canada
Crazyrabbits
This topic hasn't been touched in a while. Are we going to do anything about it?
137 Berrenta14th Oct 2015 11:46:01 AM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
Bumping it up. I was looking at the sandbox page for the subjective examples and trying to tidy it up. Is there anything else that needs to be done before it's moved to Main?

[down] On it.

edited 14th Oct '15 12:04:19 PM by Berrenta

Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Yes, the sandbox has a lot of problems with it still. See post 135.
139 Berrenta14th Oct 2015 12:59:31 PM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
Okay, I did a bit of trimming at the examples. Some are commented out so they can be worked on further.

It'll need more work, but it looks a but better.
140 Larkmarn22nd Dec 2015 01:38:32 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Where are we on this?
We've agreed to split off the YMMV trope Annoying Video Game Helper from the objective trope Stop Helping Me!. We have a sandbox that looks sufficiently sorted. I think it just needs to be swapped in, make sure the Stop Helping Me! description is up to snuff, take Stop Helping Me! off the YMMV index, and sort out the wicks.
142 Berrenta22nd Dec 2015 03:55:07 PM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
If there's no lingering issues, we can go on ahead and do the swap, since I have dealt with some problem spots earlier.
Would you mind sandboxing up a description for the objective, non-video game version? I honestly can't think of anything right now besides "In trying to help, a character proves to be more trouble than if they had done nothing."
144 Berrenta22nd Dec 2015 07:16:35 PM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
I'm not very skilled at making decent descriptions, sadly. sad
145 Nohbody22nd Dec 2015 09:03:48 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
There are "lingering issues", however. The sandbox page still has horrible Example Indentation and a lot of Natter, lifted straight from the source page at SHM. I'm not familiar with most of the works, though, so I'm not sure which is useful info and which is chainsaw fodder.

As for sandboxing the new Stop Helping Me!, working offline on one now, which I hope to have up by tomorrow at the latest, if nothing else than for an example of how not to do a trope page. tongue
There is a God. His name is Finagle, and Murphy is his prophet.
146 Nohbody25th Dec 2015 06:14:55 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Haven't forgotten about this, but I'm stuck for a description beyond a somewhat stubby entry.

Sometimes, "help" can be more trouble than it's worth.

At times, there are other characters nearby that want to be of assistance, but the assistance they offer is counterproductive to the intended result. The non-helper often has more enthusiasm than sense or knowledge, but can also simply be misunderstanding the desired outcome, be assuming that the problem is something else for which their help would apply, or have a greater estimation of their ability to assist than warranted.

(Yes, the first line echo of the current description for SHM was intentional.)

(oh, and bump tongue )
There is a God. His name is Finagle, and Murphy is his prophet.
147 Berrenta26th Dec 2015 06:30:14 AM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
It works for me.
148 Nohbody26th Dec 2015 09:37:36 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
I suppose it covers the core issues, but while I don't think War and Peace is a good role model for trope descriptions, it seems a bit on the short side to me.

[edit] That said, here's the current working version I have for the sandbox: Sandbox.Stop Helping Me.

Notes:
  • Clippy is mentioned in the description only because of being parodied in multiple works, to provide context for the various work entries. Clippy itself would belong in Annoying Video Game Helper
  • I put RvB in "unclassified" because I have no idea what media it qualifies as. tongue

edited 26th Dec '15 10:19:14 AM by Nohbody

There is a God. His name is Finagle, and Murphy is his prophet.
149 Berrenta26th Dec 2015 09:03:39 PM from Texas , Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Incoming!
RvB could fit under Web Original, so I'll go and get it classified as such.
150 Nohbody26th Dec 2015 11:17:43 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Now to start banging on the VG helper version, so we can finalize both and wrap up the thread... ugh. tongue

edited 26th Dec '15 11:18:07 PM by Nohbody

There is a God. His name is Finagle, and Murphy is his prophet.

Alternative Titles: Stop Helping Me Subjective
17th Aug '13 6:57:30 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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