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Needs Help: Fan Hater get usage counts

Fan Hater needs a lot of help. The description is really long and incoherent, and full of errors. The "Websites with a lot of Fan Haters" thing seems superfluous and like it's asking for trouble. It even starts off with an incorrect definition of Fan Hater that contradicts what is said in Hatedom.
 
Let's cut the "Websites with a lot of Fan Haters" thing. It's hypocritical to call a whole website full of Fan Haters.

"Those bastards are fan haters! I hate them!"

Hehe. Indeed.

I was thinking, should we make this trope a "No examples, please" trope, like Hatedom is?

edited 14th Jul '13 6:02:33 PM by Knight9910

 
The same should be done for Complaining about People Not Liking the Show then. I'd say keep the In-Universe examples on the page.

edited 14th Jul '13 6:08:21 PM by MikuruFan

 5 StarSword, Sun, 14th Jul '13 7:22:48 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
We can definitely keep in-universe stuff. On another note the description needs a rewrite: as determined in an Ask The Tropers discussion that led to this thread, Fan Hater and Hatedom can exist independently and aren't really subtrope and super trope.

EDIT: Goddamn smartphone autocorrect. ARRRGH!

edited 14th Jul '13 7:23:57 PM by StarSword

 6 Septimus Heap, Mon, 15th Jul '13 12:04:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I see no good reason for having the website list.

I see no problems with the examples or description. Maybe because "full of errors" is not particularly clear.

I'll go fix the wicks mentioned in @5.

Yeah. About that, can you provide examples of problematic sentences in the description?

Okay so maybe "full of errors" isn't right. It's more just... way too long and rambling. It seems to me like a trope description should describe the trope in question and then move on. This description goes on a long-winded rant about the causes and problems of fan-hating, attempts to psycho-analyze fan haters (thereby committing the same sin of stereotyping that it whines about fan haters doing) and just goes on and on endlessly.

I feel like the whole big rant can be moved to the Analysis page. The main page should be used for a description and examples (in-universe only in this case) and nothing else.

If no one else thinks it's worth rewriting I could always just do it myself.
 
Ia agree, the website list is pretty much flamebait, but I think that's all that needs to done it removing it.

edited 15th Jul '13 7:34:59 PM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 10 Septimus Heap, Tue, 16th Jul '13 1:42:35 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I agree with @8's proposed course of action.

 11 shoboni, Tue, 16th Jul '13 4:21:38 PM from Iowa, USA
I don't think it needs to be fixed. No sense in sugar-coating something that's a real problem on the internet.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 12 Septimus Heap, Wed, 17th Jul '13 12:22:28 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A long description is a bigger issue than "sugar-coating", whatever that covers.

Well, since everyone agreed that the "list of websites containing Fan Hating" list needed to go, I've gone ahead and removed that.

What we seem to be disagreeing on is whether or not the description should be shortened, with some people saying it needs to be left as is and others saying it's way too long and rambling.

So, I suggest we settle this with a vote. In fact, I took the liberty of making a crowner to help decide:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/FanHater
 
 14 Septimus Heap, Wed, 17th Jul '13 1:26:58 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Honestly, I do not think that we have to crowner this. Let's just wait for more opinions.

Fair enough, but I'll leave it up anyway... mostly because I don't think I can take it down.
 
I don't think being to long is really a issue.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 17 Willbyr, Sat, 17th Aug '13 5:48:18 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set. I've gone ahead and hooked the crowner.

edited 17th Aug '13 6:02:32 PM by Willbyr

Amazing how this thread had a crowner for over one month and it was never hooked.

edited 17th Aug '13 10:33:34 PM by mikurufan

Bump.

 20 Septimus Heap, Sat, 28th Sep '13 2:39:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Votes! As-is, the topic has 10-1 votes in favour to "Shorten the description, move the analysis elements to the Analysis page."

 21 Cider, Wed, 9th Oct '13 12:58:33 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
This is not a trope, nor a discussion to make a page into a trope. Should this be moved to special efforts?

Anyway, I see no problem with listing websites if the purpose of a community is to hate fans of a work. (or if there is at least a section of a website dedicated to fan of a work they do not like, as is the case with Twilight Sucks)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
 22 Septimus Heap, Wed, 9th Oct '13 1:01:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Huh? Whether something is not a trope has nothing to do with whether we can discuss it here.

edited 9th Oct '13 1:02:28 PM by SeptimusHeap

 23 Cider, Wed, 9th Oct '13 1:27:13 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
We did use to discuss general wiki issues here (what to do with the darth wiki) but we did that before we had a special efforts thread. I figured with that in existence the trope repair shop would default to...being the trope repair shop.

Apparently not. Still is a website actually does exist to hate fans or has a section dedicated to it I do not see the problem with listing them, unless they remove the section or change their purpose.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
 24 Septimus Heap, Wed, 9th Oct '13 3:06:40 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
For what it's worth, crowner snapshot: "Shorten the description, move the analysis elements to the Analysis page." is at 11-2.

It is a trope...

Page Action: Fan Hater
17th Jul '13 1:20:29 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
This is about the Fan Hater page.

Some people feel that the trope's description is too long and rambling, filled with rants and needs to be shortened.

Others feel that the trope's description should be left as it is, that any changes would undermine the idea behind the trope and its page.
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