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Not Tropeworthy (new crowner 8/2/13): Completed Fic get usage counts

 1 Rethkir, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 5:30:37 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Most of the Fan Fic pages on TV Tropes are competed fics, so I'm not quite sure what the point of this trope is. The examples are just a handful of MLP fics and two other miscellaneous examples that were added later. I think this trope is trivia, and I don't get the point of listing examples. Since most fics on this site are complete, this trope seems rather pointless.

edited 2nd Jul '13 5:31:21 AM by Rethkir

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It's meant to complement Dead Fic for an opposite, but that's analogous to creating Finished Series to complement Cut Short.

I support cutting.

 3 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 5:39:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
We've had a cut discussion on Ask The Tropers a while ago.

My stance is that while this article may not be particilarly useful, it is useful as a definition page and it doesn't harm anything.

 4 Larkmarn, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 6:13:49 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I say axe the examples and leave it as a definition.

Cut the examples. This page makes no attempt to cover all completed stories and it couldn't do so if it tried.

[up] Who said we can't?

I'll start with A in Anime... ;)

 7 Another Duck, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 9:44:15 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I don't think it should be cut. Fanfics are kind of infamous for not getting finished, and I know lots of people who never read fics before they're completed just because they don't want to waste time on something that's going to be abandoned.

Examples... Not needed. On the other hand, not sure they do any harm.
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[up] If there aren't going to be any examples, then how does the page's existence at all address your first paragraph? And if we do have examples, what, exactly, are going to be the standards for putting it on the page? Or do we just let every troper who comes across it list every single completed 'fic they know of?

If we're going to have examples, we might as well subdivide the page right now, because it's going to get full.

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I don't see the point of this. Either as a definition or as a list of examples. Do people need the word "completed" defined? "Fanfics are kind of infamous for not getting finished" Yes. and we have a page for that. Dead Fic. Do we need 2 pages? One solely to define the word "completed"?

edited 2nd Jul '13 9:49:45 AM by CobraPrime

 10 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 9:49:35 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Let's not jump the gun, here. A page needs a split when it's too long. We can wait until then.

I am personally neutral on having examples, although I support making this Trivia.

 11 Another Duck, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 9:56:51 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up][up]It makes it notable if they are finished, unlike published works. And just as well, you could ask if we need one for "not completed".
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 12 Rethkir, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 10:30:07 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeah, if we were to organize every single completed fic ever in the history of TV Tropes, it would have to be an index, with a page for each franchise. The current example list isn't even an attempt at that. It's rather pointless. Could you imagine if there were a handful of examples on Hero Protagonist like this? No doubt that we should cut the examples. Or this will be a very large project.

edited 2nd Jul '13 10:31:38 AM by Rethkir

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 13 Larkmarn, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 10:30:33 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
The point of the definition page would A: Be able to be put into trivia, B: Would be useful for pointing out that yes, fanfics are so often aborted that it is notable when they're genuinely finished.

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A: Be able to be put into trivia, B: Would be useful for pointing out that yes, fanfics are so often aborted that it is notable when they're genuinely finished.

And both of these purpose are already filled by Dead Fic (That article that points out a lot of fics are often aborted).

Having Article A go "Oftentimes Fanfics are never completed" and Article B say "But sometimes they are" is just redundant.

 15 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 1:46:55 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I think the aversion is notable enough for Trivia.

 16 Larkmarn, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 1:47:22 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
My point for A is that someone could go to Related and get a list of Completed Fics. Not to mention the fact that, as is, there's a way to say that a fic is dead, but currently no way way to say that it's completed. It's not one or the other considering there's ongoing and fics that are legitimately on hiatus.

edited 2nd Jul '13 1:47:38 PM by Larkmarn

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My point for A is that someone could go to Related and get a list of Completed Fics.

That's Fanfiction.net's job. Not TV Tropes.

Plus I don't buy that "Aversions are noteworthy" crap since in my experience most fanfics are a single stand alone entry. So obviously those are, by default, complete.

I'd prefer to get rid of this. I really don't see how this is in any way on mission for tvtropes. It doesn't even have a lot of inbounds.

 19 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 2:16:29 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
A storytelling definition page isn't on mission?

Yeah, after that I'll have to give my keeping word.

If you want to call it a storytelling trope, then it should be expanded to 'works that have endings.'

 21 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 2:25:50 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
A definition page is not the same thing as a trope.

But what you're defining is silly. Can I make a page about how books have endings? It's a definition page. I'll call it Non Endless Book.

I do not see what makes fanfics so special that they need their own page to define something that is assumed to happen for every single other piece of fiction out there by default.

 23 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 2:35:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Now you are confusing "ending" with "completed at ending". No, the only thing I am convinced so far is that neither side is particularly convincing - which defaults to "keep" for me.

Okay, I see no harm in keeping the definition page, if people assert that "Completed Fic" really is a fan term. But we shouldn't have examples or allow people to stick this on trivia tabs. It's a fair assumption that any fan story reached completion unless we say otherwise.

edited 2nd Jul '13 2:58:57 PM by AmyGdala

 25 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Jul '13 3:04:49 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That I'll agree with - although I would still put it on Trivia for categorization purposes.

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2nd Aug '13 3:35:32 PM
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