Needs Help: Badass Damsel

That sounds more like Defiant Captive. Speaking of which, should someone start a sandbox for that since many of the examples of Badass Damsel and parts of the description fit DC?

Doesn't look like that to me. Action Girl and Fridge Logic, perhaps.

Agreed. There are other tropes for that; Badass in Distress, Took a Level in Badass, Deliberately Distressed Damsel, etc

12:1 for top option and nothing else close. Crowner has been up around two weeks. Last bump, I suppose.

I say we're ready to call it.

Hollered. I suggest we do a new writeup while we're at it.

Calling for Damsel out of Distress.

Just to be clear, we're defining this solely as escaping captivity or trying, correct? Not just resisting?

Sandbox. The old description wasn't really accurate.

edited 29th Sep '13 2:04:09 PM by Arha

I thought about it and I believe it is a good start. There are a few things that concern me 1. The first paragraph is entirely about Damsel in Distress and sounds like a Take That!. We should talk about this trope straight away. 2. We should develop the character aspect of this trope so that it will no longer be confused with Badass in Distress. That was one of the starting points for this thread.

I think the description sounds different from Badass in Distress. I do agree that we should talk about this trope straight away. I think the second paragraph is so well written we can just cut the first paragraph.

We could do that. I mean, I did realize I was doing the 'Here is what the trope is not' thing in the first paragraph, but I thought since the trope was pretty reactionary towards Damsel in Distress that might make it okay. Anyway, if we did that, I think it would need to be tweaked a little. I'd like to see more opinions before I go ahead and do that.

"Just to be clear, we're defining this solely as escaping captivity or trying, correct? Not just resisting?"

Yes, just resisting is Defiant Captive (or whatever we decided to call it)

edited 2nd Oct '13 10:04:28 PM by Sackett

I remember that Defiant Captive is said to be a good name.

Bumbing because I want to move this along. We need to come to an agreement about the new description so we can replace the current and rename. I put my own spin on the sandbox and I'd like opinos about it.

I preferred how it was before, minus the first paragraph. I think you've added traits to the character that aren't necessary.

edited 7th Oct '13 10:10:39 AM by Arha

I agree. It was good the way it was except cut the first paragraph. The new first line doesn't make sense. She doesn't need to be sweet or anything. She gets captured and she frees or almost frees herself.

Sure. As long as we're moving forward on this. My intent was to make it distinct from tropes such as generic Action Girl.

Cut this first paragraph from the original and tweaked the second. Better?

No, it's not. It's little different from the original because it still starts off as 'A subversion of Damsel in Distress'. It's bad form to start a trope's description by comparing it to another trope and there's no distinction from Badass in Distress.

Bumb for the second time. I'm looking for a response.

1. The new definition, as is stands, does nothing to distinguish itself from character tropes like Action Girl or Badass in Distress. 2. The new definition, as is stands, does nothing to distinguish itself from plot tropes like Redundant Rescue.

I tried to address these issues and my changes were wiped out.

Description had all this stuff about being badass and cool and not even having to be kidnapped.

Changed the description to match the new definition:

"Damsel who escapes on her own"

A little rough and barebones, but it can be expanded later. Now lets move it over to the new name and clean up examples.

Moved to Damsel out of Distress.

Currently Badass Damsel redirects to it, but once we rename all the occurrences we should consider if we should redirect it elsewhere.

Still need to cleanup examples.

We also need to create Defiant Captive (or whatever we decided to call it).

edited 14th Oct '13 5:59:29 PM by Sackett

Subtrope of Redundant Rescue for when it's played as a Subversion of the Damsel in Distress trope, right? That seems fine to me.

edited 14th Oct '13 6:01:25 PM by troacctid

About Defiant Captive, maybe some of the examples on I'm Not Hungry should be looked at because its TRS discussion pointed out that the examples would better apply to resistance to captivity in general.

Is anyone currently writing a definition for Defiant Captive (or whatever we chose to call it)?