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Protests in Brazil:

 151 Achaemenid, Wed, 9th Oct '13 2:06:11 PM from Glasgow Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Has anyone been killed yet?
 152 De Marquis, Wed, 9th Oct '13 2:43:02 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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I would like to debate the black block some more, but I think its off topic here. Can I entice anyone over here to continue that discussion?
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 153 Quag 15, Wed, 9th Oct '13 2:44:56 PM from Portugal Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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[up] If I get more stuff on them, I'll post in that thread.
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 154 De Marquis, Wed, 9th Oct '13 4:07:59 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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I'll be waiting. Actually, I'll just go ahead and post something myself.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
Digging up laws from the military period? Are they nuts?!

I know right? I mean, what the fuck!?

And labeling "vandals" (or "vandalism") as "organized crime" is really stupid.

There is some twisted logic in that. There are militant groups who go organized to the the protests. Including the now infamous black block group all dressed in black, wearing gas mask and carrying shields. Of course, calling them "vandals" is obscene as they rarely, if ever, start the confusion and mostly just go prepared because they know it is likely the police will crack down on everyone. The actual vandals and criminals, who naturally aways exist, just go with the bandwagon to see the confusion and obviously are not organized at all.

Basically, they are cracking down on the people who just want to defend themselves and the others from the police and treating them as dangerous criminal.

Has anyone been killed yet?

Again, I am not as up to date as I should. But, yes, people have died. It depends on what you mean by "killed", though. From what I know, which is not that much, it is mostly accidents. Like some driver being afraid of being catch up in the confusion and running over someone. But I know at last one person died as a consequence of tear gas.

I would like to debate the black block some more, but I think its off topic here. Can I entice anyone over here to continue that discussion?

I might post there when I get more involved with the protests again. Which won't happen 'till Monday, probably.

edited 9th Oct '13 8:10:57 PM by Heatth

 156 Quag 15, Sun, 26th Jan '14 7:33:17 AM from Portugal Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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Anti-World Cup protesters clash with police after Săo Paulo rally - more than 100 arrested.

edited 26th Jan '14 7:33:27 AM by Quag15

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 157 demarquis, Sun, 26th Jan '14 6:07:05 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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"Waving flags, carrying banners and chanting "there will be no Cup", the demonstrators took to the streets in what the Anonymous Rio protest group billed as the first act in its "Operation Stop the World Cup" campaign."

And so it begins again?
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 158 Gaon, Fri, 28th Feb '14 10:51:13 AM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I don't know if this been posted before but:

Well, shit.

Apparently the shock troops of the police are being armed to the teeth with new weapons and armors (look at that goddamn officer) to "contain" violence protests.

In theory, "containing the violence" sounds fine, if they weren't the aggressors in the first place.
 159 Achaemenid, Fri, 28th Feb '14 11:20:00 AM from Glasgow Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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What, are the protestors getting BOPE set on them now? Eesh.
 160 De Marquis, Fri, 28th Feb '14 11:43:03 AM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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That's almost hilarious. Dont worry, non-violent protest doesn't depend on hurting the cops anyway, so all the armor in the world isnt going to help them.
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 161 Gaon, Fri, 28th Feb '14 1:47:58 PM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
[up][up] Nah that isn't BOPE. BOPE is only deployed against criminals and armed foes in general (if they were deployed against the protests there wouldn't BE protesters left) Those are the Riot Control troops (called "Shock Troops" or "Shock Battalion" around here). Like many Riot Control organizations, they are a bit infamous for being excesisvely brutal and violent towards the smallest of threats.

Fun trivia: The headline of the journal I posted says something to the effect of "Rio will have "Robocops" against Black Blocs".

I guess when it comes to protests, dead or alive, you are going with them.
 162 Achaemenid, Fri, 28th Feb '14 1:56:25 PM from Glasgow Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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[up][up]

Non-violent protest isn't always an option. I mean, certainly one would rather not be fighting the forces of the state (not least because you might get hurt), but at the same time sometimes violence is necessary to protect the right of the people to protest.

[up]

I see; I just saw something about elite cops and Brazil and assumed "BOPE", like that movie I saw.

But as for the armor; it looks to me like Security theater. It's more for intimidation than anything else - a statement of intent. Still a pretty unpleasant thing to do; but when you're on the picket lines, it's less about what the police are buying to protect themselves that you need to worry about, but what they're buying to hurt you. If Rio's police start buying up water cannons, rubber bullets, etc...that's a bigger cause of worry.
 163 De Marquis, Fri, 28th Feb '14 2:01:26 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Non-violent protest by itself is not always an option- Syria comes to mind, but it's always one of the options and its the one that historically works the best. In any case, I dont think Brazil is anywhere near that level of social chaos yet.
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 164 Gaon, Fri, 28th Feb '14 3:09:01 PM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
[up] I would say it could get to that level if things proceed at this pace. Difficult but not impossible.

[up][up] Another issue I'm seeing is that, from what I gather, these heavily armed troops are a whole new force called "National Force" composed of twelve Thousand men that will aid the normal Shock Troops across Brazil. That's a lot of Money in weapons, armors and recruiting (Hell, that "National Force" is also getting a bunch of small spy 'bots to aid them in analyzing protest formations to better contain). Money that could have been used to try to at least do something for the protesters' claims.

I just think it's a bit misaimed.

On a lighter comment: The Elite Squad rocks. It is also remarkably accurate.
[up][up]Non violent protests are often not an option here because, sometimes, the police shoots first. Kinda hard to be non violent in those cases.

Also, it is not like the protesters are organized enough to actually decide whether they want to be violent or not. There are many different groups doing different things for different reasons.

 166 De Marquis, Sat, 1st Mar '14 11:44:57 AM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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It is possible to be non-violent even if the police occassionally kill someone. It's tough, but it can be done. It's even possible to win in that scenario (esp if the killings galvanize public support).
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 167 Victin, Thu, 6th Mar '14 9:57:49 AM from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
What I've heard a lot are "conspiracy theories" of the violent protesters being paid by the government to reduce the... social... acceptance of the protests.
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 168 Gaon, Thu, 6th Mar '14 11:12:07 AM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
It's one of those conspiracy theories that actually seem conceivable. The violent protesters emerge out of the nowhere, and they vanish into the nowhere, the police has a tendency to directly not confront them and instead attack the peaceful protesters even when the violent ones are right in front of them, few of them have been caught but peaceful protesters are beaten and detained in a daily basis. Some things don't match.

I'm not saying it is or it isn't a inside job, but the situation is weird.
 169 demarquis, Thu, 12th Jun '14 11:03:22 AM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Brazil police, protesters clash as World Cup begins:"...Brazilian police and protesters clashed on Thursday just hours before the opening game of the World Cup, injuring at least five people, although excitement began to build elsewhere as cheering, flag-waving fans converged on the stadium.

The tournament has been largely overshadowed so far by construction delays and months of political unrest with many Brazilians furious over $11 billion being spent to host the Cup in a country where hospitals and schools are often poor."

Brazilian police fire tear gas at World Cup protesters: "...Brazilian police fired tear gas Thursday to hold back a small group trying to work its way through Sao Paulo to the Arena Corinthians stadium to protest the World Cup... A patchwork of plastic tents has appeared on an empty piece of land less than 2.5 miles (about 4 kilometers) from the World Cup stadium. More than 3, 000 families have joined the squatter settlement known as the "People's Cup, " hoping to use the global sporting event as a platform to pressure the government to provide low-income housing."

Small and outnumbered by the Police, but they are trying their best...
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 170 Gaon, Thu, 12th Jun '14 2:53:24 PM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
So pretty much what everyone expected to happen is happening. Can't say I'm surprised.

The only question is whether the protests will escalate as the cup proceeds or dial down with the repression.

 171 Saint Deltora, Fri, 13th Jun '14 11:35:42 AM from Brazil Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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Odds on shit escalating after tonight?
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Honestly? I think most people are too incredulous to go do anything.

Give it more time for the score to sink in.

 174 FF Shinra, Tue, 8th Jul '14 7:40:50 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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"We spent all this money to get our ass kicked in the worst way possible?! Die!"

Yeah, I can see that logic coming after the shock coma wears off...

[down]Good point.

edited 8th Jul '14 7:47:53 PM by FFShinra

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 175 Ira The Squire, Tue, 8th Jul '14 7:45:34 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
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I would add "We spent all this money AT THE EXPENSE OF OURSELVES just to get our asses kicked?"

edited 8th Jul '14 7:45:52 PM by IraTheSquire

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