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Duplicate Trope: Mid Season Wham Episode get usage counts

I've added an option for merging them, but keeping the other title. Personally, I prefer Mid Season Wham Episode.
 
 27 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Jun '13 12:36:16 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Why in the lesser-known term?

I can't say I've come across the term "seventh episode twist". Even if it is less popular, I think Mid Season Wham Episode puts it better. That said, I'm not familiar with that many works that go beyond eight episodes a series. If "seventh episode twist" is a common term and it's widely used around that point in a series, fine.

edited 14th Jun '13 12:41:19 PM by abloke

 
 29 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Jun '13 12:41:48 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Well, personal experience is only a borderline quality criterium, but the inbounds are clear. And tbh, I get the same meaning from them.

I mean the list of examples makes the seventh episode pretty clearly important. The vast majority (al that are unmarked which episode they land on) do land on episode 7.
 
I think the more preferable option is to give us the most leeway with examples. In a genuine, practical sense all that matters is that it is a twist that occurs somewhere centralized in the season and not in the beginning or the end. I think generally speaking that means somewhere in the middle 50% (ie in a 20 episode season it is somewhere between episode 5 and 15, a 26 episode season would be 6 and 19) but even that is loosely defined. It all depends on where it feels like we've gotten past the intro and not in the climax.

for Mid Season Wham Yes, but 7th Episode isn't the middle 50 percent, its the end of act one, transition from exposition into rising action point that lines up with important ratings periods for the networks. roughly between 25-33 percent

Mid Season is for like the 13th episode that leads into the midseason hiatus around december before shows come back in like february to finish off the season. two distinct points on a seasons lifecycle. Typically called Mid Season Finale see The Other Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_finale

besides episode 7 is usually important whether a series has 12, 13, 20, 24, 26, or 30 episodes. again refer to the examples section

edited 17th Jun '13 1:24:31 PM by acrobox

 
the two could be stand alone tropes but as it stands now Mid Season is a blatant and lesser used direct copy of 7th Episode. I'd either say cut it or rework it into a different plot point or a more generalized Super Trope
 
 34 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 5:44:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Votes update:

All else is in the red.

Dragon Writer
That is . . . totally not what I'm seeing. Did we suddenly have a rush of votes?

edited 20th Jun '13 7:43:03 PM by Stratadrake

i just dont understand what the new trope would be if they were merged under a new name, considering that Mid Season Wham Episode as it stands now is literally a duplicate of the more developed 7th Episode Twist

edited 20th Jun '13 10:28:17 PM by acrobox

 
 37 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 11:00:35 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The same as 7th Episode Twist.

Dragon Writer
^^ There has been a suggestion for simply "Midseason Twist" as a title, but since it would involve a rename (not simply a merge and redirect) it is technically a separate option. Me I would have included the suggestion as part of the crowner option's text, but that's apparently not crowner kosher.

edited 21st Jun '13 9:54:54 AM by Stratadrake

 39 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Jun '13 9:39:58 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, there's been a significant switch in the crowner: Now "Merge Mid Season Wham Episode and 7th Episode Twist under a new name (TBD)" is the only one in green at 14-6.

looks like we have a clear winner here. Hollering for the crowner to be called

The new name could still be "seventh episode twist, " but the top choice just leaves the name up to debate.

That choice was on the crowner, but more people supported a new name.

 43 Septimus Heap, Mon, 24th Jun '13 3:16:20 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Has anyone a new name suggestion?

"Mid-Season Twist" seems the best choice to me.

I had the idea of Midseason Shocker myself

Dragon Writer
If it's ready to call, let's get the next round started.
 47 Willbyr, Fri, 28th Jun '13 5:54:18 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Crowners are swapped.
also hey, i guess the option was already lost in the previous crowner but 7th Episode Twist is still thriving, and doesn't have a Trope Repair Shop link on top of it so a lot of the people still adding examples (that do land on episode 7 specifically) and updating it probably don't even know this debate/decision is being made.

Can we change tropes that have nothing wrong with them because of a duplicate trope that was kind of iffy?

edited 29th Jun '13 12:49:15 PM by acrobox

 
The status of 7th Episode Twist was discussed earlier. Personally, I think that there is a reason a work has a twist in the episode 7 if it's the first, last, or only twist in the whole season and if the show is full of twists, it's really People Sit on Chairs.

edited 29th Jun '13 9:49:29 PM by MikuruFan

 50 Another Duck, Mon, 1st Jul '13 5:04:34 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
It's usually the twist that signifies that the real plot has kicked in.
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Alternative Titles: Mid Season Wham Episode
24th Jun '13 8:59:05 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided to combine Mid Season Wham Episode and Seventh Episode Twist under a new name.
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