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Duplicate Trope: Mid Season Wham Episode get usage counts

I think this trope is pretty much the same as 7th episode spoiler and as such is unnecessary.
 
 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Jun '13 3:38:24 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Fixed the tag. Also, it's 7th Episode Twist.

The first paragraph on both tropes is identical.

 3 Another Duck, Tue, 11th Jun '13 4:06:01 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
The description of Mid Season Wham Episode contains nothing at all that isn't also on 7th Episode Twist.

I'm not sure I've seen a clearer case for a merge. Did someone Double Post the trope?

edited 11th Jun '13 4:07:05 PM by AnotherDuck

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I hate seeing trope names that are just more-specific examples of their own definitions. I wouldn't mind calling it a Midseason Twist just to eliminate the disclaimer that it "does not have to occur on precisely the seventh episode" (as a single season may be of varying length).

Other than that, a merge does sound reasonable.

edited 11th Jun '13 6:37:16 PM by Stratadrake

 5 larkmarn, Tue, 11th Jun '13 6:59:44 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
My thought process upon seeing this topic "Huh, that name sounds like 7th Episode Twist."

Click the topic.

Boom.

Yeah, merge. There's no reason for this to exist.

I support a merge into a page with a new title like Mid-Season Twist.

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Note that both pages have a high inbounds-to-wicks ratio.

I support merge and rename.

 9 Donaldthe Potholer, Tue, 11th Jun '13 10:10:35 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
Incidentally, 7th Episode seems to be the elder Trope by a mere 3 months (First Edits being 2/11 vs 5/11)

Agree with Renamed Merge.

 10 Another Duck, Tue, 11th Jun '13 10:28:11 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Considering the old names are perfectly serviceable on their own, they should be kept as redirects, so I don't think inbounds would be a problem.

Mid-Season Twist is a better name. Also solves the issue of what name to keep. Half of both.

edited 11th Jun '13 10:28:50 PM by AnotherDuck

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 11 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Jun '13 11:58:16 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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7th Episode Twist has a lot of inbounds and Google tells me that there are lots of sites using it like we do. I say we should merge into that.

But Tropes Are Not Narrow, and the page has examples that don't fall on episode 7. The point of the page is that a twist happens in the middle of the series, and because many examples are from Twelve Episode Anime, most fall under episode 7.

Also, if a series is full of twists, then I don't think pointing out one that occurs in the 7th episode is noteworthy.

edited 12th Jun '13 12:05:38 AM by MikuruFan

 13 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Jun '13 12:05:06 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I am seeing only a weak trend there.

 14 Another Duck, Wed, 12th Jun '13 1:47:29 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I checked a few (6-7) of the sites that used the term. All but one (random comment somewhere) explicitly referred to the trope page.

Well, no matter if it's a 12 ep season or a 24 ep season, the 7th ep is about where all characters have been introduced, and some dynamics/wacky hijinx have happened, so taking the story to the next step is appropriate there.
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 15 Spark 9, Wed, 12th Jun '13 1:53:45 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I support merging. I think we can all see that even if a trope is called "seventh episode twist", then a twist in the sixth or eighth episode still qualifies, because Tropes Are Not Narrow.
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good to see people agree, sorry for the mistake with the trope title. Mid season twist sounds like a good name for the trope though sometimes these twists happen earlier than half way through the season, it's still a better name than 7th episode twist.

edited 12th Jun '13 11:13:34 AM by necrogirl

 
i brought up that someone duplicated 7th episode twist into this a while ago, weird this is just popping up again nownow.

If you look at the examples you see a surprisngly large number of examples actually land on the seventh episode precisely, and the trope description allows for episodes 6 or 8 to qualify.

Really this is quarter season, not midseason. midseason would be like 13th episode twist, which is also common. and it's common for a lot of shows to have both something big on episode 7 and episode 13.

i suggested that midseason twist be repurposed for midseason which is typically also a Wham Episode, and 7th episode twist is left alone.
 
 18 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 12:03:01 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Hmmm...I just requested a crowner here. You might add that to this crowner, although I want to have some evidence that "13 or 7 episode twist" is worth a separate page as opposed to an Internal Subtrope.

what qualifies as 'evidence'

when i came up with/launched 7th episode it acknowledged that it was about the quarter season, which usually meant episode 7. the majority of examples that land on 7 precisely, season after season, are from live action television which has nothing to do with 12EpisodeAnime - it also shows up in western animation and animes that have 20/24/26+ episodes per season, and in videogames that use episode or chapter formats for their levels. but as noted in the disclaimer Tropes Are Not Narrow and episode 6 or 8 can qualify as long as they make note of it.

later on people made it stronger noting that its not about the 'middle'[around 50percent] of the season it's about the end of act1 [around 33percent] if you divide it into 3act structure, and that advertisers usually capitalize on this point in a seasons life-cycle that's before the middle but not too early for sweepstakes and other events.

The Mid Season Wham Episode is a duplicate of 7thEpisode looked like at launch, not sure who made it. But as long as it's around there are plenty of shows, even those with 7th episode twists, that have another major turning point at the actual midseason (around episdes 11-14)

edited 13th Jun '13 12:18:54 PM by acrobox

 
7 is also just a symbolic number. like 3, 4, 13, or 108.
 
 21 Larkmarn, Thu, 13th Jun '13 12:26:19 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Regardless of which one we wind up keeping, we should not keep both. They're utterly redundant.

 22 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 12:29:03 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Well, I am definitively convinced on an Internal Subtrope, assuming that someone can writeup a description (I have an idea, but the brain—>post move has never worked well for me)

If you want to broaden it into internal subtropes you could call it something like Major Turning Points. Introduction (First Episode Spoiler) - leads into Exposition that ends with a 7thEpisodeTwist - leads into Rising Action that may have some important twists and spikes throughout especially around the 50 percent mark of the story - climax - and denouement.

The only reason why i still don't think 7thEpisodeTwist fits cleanly into that is that the 7thEpisodeTwist as it exists now has two sides, some that only last as long as 1 season, and some that redefine the entire series regardless of how many seasons there are. But they both still hit at that 7th episode, end of act 1, let's keep things interesting so the audience knows that the Monster of the Week and other stock plots are going somewhere eventually and they don't get bored/ let's check and see if the series is getting ratings and making money point.

edited 13th Jun '13 12:57:33 PM by acrobox

 
 24 Willbyr, Thu, 13th Jun '13 1:19:32 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 25 Donaldthe Potholer, Fri, 14th Jun '13 12:18:25 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
[up][up]In a Long Runner of sufficient length, a Twist that happens in the 7th Episode could be more appropriately put in First Episode Spoiler. i.e. once the number of episodes in a series hits three digits, episodes with only 1 digit can no longer qualify as "the end of Act 1". "The end of the Prologue", possibly, but not Act 1.

edited 14th Jun '13 12:19:37 PM by DonaldthePotholer

Alternative Titles: Mid Season Wham Episode
24th Jun '13 8:59:05 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided to combine Mid Season Wham Episode and Seventh Episode Twist under a new name.
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