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maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#1: Jun 11th 2013 at 2:49:25 PM

As pointed out in this YKTTW (shot down becuase it's a duplicate of High School AU), it specifically about fanfictions involving the characters in high school, not spin offs or canonical shows, yet also contains examples like All Grown Up and planned but failed shows like Gotham High (and even uses its artwork for the page image).

Tropes Are Not Narrow, so I think it's high time to broaden the description to include all shows transplanting the characters to high school, not just fanfiction.

edited 11th Jun '13 2:49:57 PM by maxwellsilver

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Jun 11th 2013 at 2:51:25 PM

Broaden.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#3: Jun 11th 2013 at 2:51:39 PM

The fanfiction folder is amusingly small.

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#4: Jun 11th 2013 at 3:03:23 PM

As far as I know, AU is either the astronomical unit (i.e. distance of Earth to the sun) or the chemical symbol for gold. What on earth does that have to do with this trope?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#5: Jun 11th 2013 at 3:03:48 PM

Alternate Universe.

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#6: Jun 11th 2013 at 3:11:47 PM

Hm, ok. I'd be in favor of swapping the name with its redirect (High School Spinoff) because I'm surely not the only one who doesn't know what AU means. I think we had a guideline against using abbreviations in trope names, for pretty much this reason.

Aside from that, I agree that the trope should be broadened, as suggested above.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7: Jun 11th 2013 at 3:12:48 PM

Gonna have to vote against a rename here; the rest of the name adds context, and we have already enough on the plate.

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maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#8: Jun 11th 2013 at 3:36:47 PM

I think the only thing that needs to be done to broaden it is remove all mentions of fanfic from the description (and that Circular Link).

I can do it right now. Any thoughts?

edited 11th Jun '13 3:42:38 PM by maxwellsilver

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#9: Jun 11th 2013 at 4:16:27 PM

I don't think broadening it to cover non-fan works would change the purpose of the setting idea.

edited 11th Jun '13 4:16:49 PM by AnotherDuck

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maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#10: Jun 11th 2013 at 6:14:13 PM

Then I'll change the description to cover non-fanfiction.

maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#11: Jun 11th 2013 at 6:17:41 PM

It's done.

edited 11th Jun '13 6:22:31 PM by maxwellsilver

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#12: Jun 11th 2013 at 9:09:30 PM

About the title. Not all spinoffs are alternate universes. All Grown Up! isn't in an alternate universe. It's the same characters after a time skip to highschool. The redirect would actually work better if we're broadening the description for that.

edited 11th Jun '13 9:33:44 PM by xanderiskander

DonaldthePotholer from Miami's In-State Rival Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#13: Jun 11th 2013 at 10:03:29 PM

[up]Except that Fanfics are not Spinoffs. At least not legitimate ones.

We need a word that covers both cases. Perhaps Transplanted To A High School Setting.

edited 11th Jun '13 10:05:12 PM by DonaldthePotholer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Jun 11th 2013 at 11:54:07 PM

Has anyone shown a reason for a rename better than "there's an acronym in there"? As far as Google tells me, this is an already existing term for this sort of thing.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#16: Jun 12th 2013 at 1:37:12 AM

It's been used frequently in fanfic communities before TV Tropes.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#17: Jun 12th 2013 at 1:52:51 AM

To be fair, "acronyms" are explicitly spelled out as a reason to rename, on our policy/guideline page about the subject.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18: Jun 12th 2013 at 1:55:22 AM

Said policy page also cites "sufficient inbound links" and "existing term" as reasons against a rename. I could see adding a few redirects, though.

edited 12th Jun '13 2:54:26 AM by SeptimusHeap

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XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
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#19: Jun 12th 2013 at 2:25:40 AM

I have no problem with the current title. Would that help if we made a redirect to High School Alternate Universe?

maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#20: Jun 12th 2013 at 2:45:31 AM

Sounds good.

There's also the name of the shot down YKTTW, Recycled In High School, to consider if a rename is actually needed.

Though for the record, my only problem was with the description saying it's about fanfiction and examples being canonical works.

edited 12th Jun '13 2:46:01 AM by maxwellsilver

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#21: Jun 12th 2013 at 2:50:48 AM

[up][up]Added redirect.

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#22: Jun 12th 2013 at 3:11:53 AM

Looks like we're done here.

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