Fake Skill, a videogame trope, is described on the page as: "This is subversion of the control the developers have on the players. Basically, the player finds ways to play the game that the developers and designers did not intend." I don't think the definition is very clear from the name. The name makes me think of someone pretending they have a skill they don't actually have. I think "Unintended Use of Game Mechanics" (only punnier) or something similar would make more sense.
edited 11th Jun '13 2:01:58 PM by sunlitgarden
Two Christmas wormsWith 410 inbounds, I would ask for some evidence of misunderstanding. 48 wicks is kinda little though. Also, fixed the tag.
Wait a second... I believe this is already covered (better) by other pages, such as Good Bad Bugs. I'll have to look into this some more, but numerous examples on this page are "glitch that can be exploited to beat the game faster/better", which is precisely what Good Bad Bugs is about. I suspect that this page needs to have its definition clarified and several of the examples moved off.
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It seems like people are using it to describe Sequence Breaking, Good Bad Bugs, and just general gameplay strategies. Here's one entry that seems to fit the current Fake Skill definition:
edited 11th Jun '13 2:30:47 PM by sunlitgarden
The trope page is MUCH weaker than the final draft for the ykttw. Not saying that the ykttw was a trope separate from Good Bad Bugs, but it's definitely well-written and explained. The current page is the result of some serious damage. Perhaps a previous TRS redefined this trope, or spun off a definition.
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Io vs JupiterGood Bad Bugs are just "bugs that players liked". Fake Skill is "player advantages not intended by the developers, which may (but does not necessarily) include bugs". Definitely different tropes.
Which makes it Not the Intended Use but with an awful name. I say cut it.
Hmm... If that's the case, maybe Good Bad Bugs should be split into "famous and/or funny" glitches (which seems to be what you're talking about) and "beneficial to the player" glitches. I can do a formal count if anyone would like, but just skimming several of the example categories in Good Bad Bugs, at least twice as many are "exploit/glitch that makes the game easier", not "funny glitch that players liked." (The use of these helpful glitches seems to be what Fake Skill is about... along with possibly just using combinations of attacks or strategies that the developers didn't intend, even if not necessarily a bug.)
edited 11th Jun '13 7:06:13 PM by sunlitgarden
Dragon WriterBugs with positive side effects are more likely to ascend to videogame legend.
I think Fake Skill, at the very least, needs a better description. And a lot of the examples overlap with Good Bad Bugs. I think there are currently at least three separate situations being described on Fake Skill. I mentioned them above, but here are a few more examples that will hopefully make it clearer: Glitch/bug exploits:
edited 11th Jun '13 9:54:01 PM by sunlitgarden
nevermind, I'm overcomplicating things.
edited 11th Jun '13 9:55:12 PM by sunlitgarden
First is Good Bad Bugs. Second is Not the Intended Use. Third is the only one I can't think of a separate trope for. And any way you cut it, what does the name Fake Skill have to do with anything? At best, it's non-descriptive. But realistically, it's confusing at best.
edited 11th Jun '13 9:39:59 PM by larkmarn
Yeah, I really agree about the name. I think that my third example there is actually two different things... the boss example is Attack Its Weak Point or Fantastic Fragility, and the Portal one is just a shortcut or Sequence Breaking. I think pretty much all the current examples can be moved to Good Bad Bugs, Not the Intended Use, or else Sequence Breaking or other pages, depending on the specific example. I'm confusing myself with all the other tropes and subtropes on the Error Index. I need to just focus on the reason I made this thread in the first place.
Sounds to me like Fake Skill is a Super Trope to Good Bad Bugs and Not the Intended Use. The question of whether there are other categories, or examples that cannot be categorized, still stands. EDIT: I do agree that the name doesn't add anything, though. Also that the examples can and should be moved where possible. EDIT2: Not the Intended Use also has a poor description. Perhaps a Description Merge is in order with Good Bad Bugs being a Sub-Trope of the combined Trope.
edited 11th Jun '13 10:19:11 PM by DonaldthePotholer
Io vs JupiterI didn't even know Not the Intended Use was a trope. Given its existence, Fake Skill basically ends up being "Good Bad Bugs + Not the Intended Use", and as such I'd say cut it as a duplicate trope.
Two Christmas wormsI am seconding a cut as well.
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How many votes do you need? But yeah, this seems like a pretty clear cut. The name is also terrible.
No, the other one.I don't see a unique worth in this page.
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Two Christmas wormsNow that I see, this has 410 inbounds. Shall we redirect it somewhere?
Not the Intended Use, I'd imagine.
I copied all the relevant examples from Fake Skill over to Not the Intended Use and also added to the description at Not the Intended Use, though it can still use some improvement. It looks like all the "bug" examples on the Fake Skill page were already over at Good Bad Bugs.
Two Christmas wormsSome more support for a redirect and we can go with that.
I support redirect. Do we need a crowner for this, or are we good?
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