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Ambiguous Name: Sidetracked By The Gold Saucer get usage counts

 26 Clarste, Thu, 20th Jun '13 5:07:47 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
While I agree that the current name doesn't meet our standards and is generally terrible, as far as I know the trope is perfectly healthy. This may be a Grandfather Clause issue.

 27 Spark 9, Thu, 20th Jun '13 5:14:34 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Well, if so many people claim that the name is terrible, I suggest holding a crowner to find out consensus. Swapping this with an existing redirect should be less big of a deal than picking a new name from scratch, anyway.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
I think grandfathering should only apply when it's an entrenched term. This really isn't.

 29 shimaspawn, Thu, 20th Jun '13 6:49:25 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
The first thing that needs to be done is to prove that the trope name isn't working and prove misuse. As the trope name is currently attracting inbounds well as well as new wicks, it seems to be working. Unless someone proves misuse, this thread will be locked in accordance with TRS rules.
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Where in the TRS rules does it say that? The stickied thread in this forum only mentions misuse when it is the topic of the thread. The most on whether a misuse check is necessary for a rename is Everything You Wanted to Know About Changing Names, and that says that it is an opinion of users and not a rule.

 31 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 11:33:58 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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It was me who more or less drafted the current sticky text, but it was implemented in a different way than I envisaged - wich may be a problem.

Anyhow, "The name isn't working" has always been the standard for a rename. It has 1800+ inbounds, and even with @15 there is @7 and @25.

 32 Spark 9, Thu, 20th Jun '13 11:59:25 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes, but "it isn't working" is something that people have different standards for, so in practice the standard for renaming has usually been "it gets enough votes in a crowner to do so". There is clearly precedent for renaming tropes like this. This is also because, by its own admission, Tvtropes is not supposed to be a formal and rules-bound site.

Now it's clear from the thread that several people will vote against a rename, but it's not a priori clear if that's just two or three people or a sizeable amount. So that's what crowners are for, to find out. I strongly object to the principle of "well, the crowner will possibly/probably fail so let's not have one".

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 33 Madrugada, Sat, 29th Jun '13 6:10:47 AM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
While "It isn't working" isn't entirely objective, there is objective evidence that can be presented to support the claim that "It isn't working". Evidence of misuse or confusion over what the trope is, in the form of a wick check is some of that supporting evidence.

Since Shima asked for a wick check 9 days ago, and no one has bothered to do one yet, instead choosing to argue over what constitutes "Isn't working", I'm going to lock this thread as non-productive.
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