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Ambiguous Name: A Planet Named Zok get usage counts

 51 nrjxll, Sat, 15th Jun '13 2:13:34 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]I've tried to make a case for why there's a difference, and it's hard to tell whether the reason no one responded was because they weren't convinced or because the thread went off on a tangent.

 52 Spark 9, Sun, 16th Jun '13 11:07:49 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think they're the same, yes.
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 53 Larkmarn, Wed, 26th Jun '13 5:56:43 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Do we need to make a crowner for whether Descripulon and Descriptionville are the same trope?

 54 Blue Guy, Wed, 26th Jun '13 7:29:52 AM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
[up] Probably not. There's enough consensus between the others, I think.
 55 Larkmarn, Wed, 26th Jun '13 1:14:52 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Then I suppose all that's left to do is move the Descripulon-type examples to Descriptiveville, and expand the description so that it's explicit then.

If no one objects, I'll make those changes tomorrow and we can close this up. Sound good?

edited 27th Jun '13 11:45:15 AM by Larkmarn

 56 Noaqiyeum, Sat, 29th Jun '13 10:24:10 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I think I agree with nrj to some extent that there is a difference. These days, Descriptulon is almost invariably a joke about naming conventions in pulp adventure stories (hence why it was lumped in with A Planet Named Zok for so long), but I don't think that's enough of a difference to split it - the same is true of Descriptistan.

That said, I'm uncomfortable with just a straight transfer because I would never have imagined that Descriptive Ville included countries and planets - I think it's because -ville is a location suffix you scarcely see outside of very specific genre contexts. If we renamed it to something like Descriptopolis or Descriptopia that problem could be avoided.
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 57 Septimus Heap, Sun, 30th Jun '13 1:18:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I am not sure if I would agree with a rename of Descriptiveville on this reasoning. Sounds a tad too pedantic to me.

 58 Spark 9, Sun, 30th Jun '13 4:33:16 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I disagree. "-polis" is simply Greek for "-ville", and "-topia" is a suffix generally associated with countries. The key point here is that Tropes Are Not Narrow, and realizing that Descriptive Ville already covers things that aren't cities.
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 59 Blue Guy, Sun, 30th Jun '13 7:43:00 AM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
Is there enough consensus to take action now?
 60 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 30th Jun '13 1:29:34 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up][up] -topia just means 'place', so it is broader (and I can think of places of about every size that have used it). -ville doesn't even apply to cities - it's used exclusively for villages or small towns at most. It sounds like a redirect for Premise Ville.

So yes, realising that it already includes non-villages is key, but the name doesn't support it.

edited 30th Jun '13 1:31:48 PM by Noaqiyeum

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 61 Spark 9, Sun, 30th Jun '13 1:58:11 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Fair enough.

Okay, I suggest that (1) we restrict this trope to "planet names that sound like Zok", (2) move examples of "descriptively named planet" to Descriptive Ville, and (3) open a new thread on Descriptive Ville to discuss its name. Is that a workable approach?
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 62 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 30th Jun '13 2:09:56 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Sounds good to me.
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 63 Willbyr, Sun, 30th Jun '13 7:29:00 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up][up] Works for me.
 64 Willbyr, Thu, 1st Aug '13 6:08:02 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Zok is ticking.
 65 Larkmarn, Thu, 1st Aug '13 6:14:57 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
 66 Septimus Heap, Thu, 1st Aug '13 6:17:40 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
"Limit the page to all planets named Zok"? That sounds like Zok is going to be the only example here forward.

 67 Larkmarn, Thu, 1st Aug '13 6:28:11 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Thanks for the fix. It's early here. Need my coffee.

 68 Willbyr, Thu, 1st Aug '13 10:02:46 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Crowner's hooked.
 69 Blue Guy, Sun, 4th Aug '13 9:17:34 AM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
I'm still amused at "Zok is ticking." grin
 70 Septimus Heap, Thu, 22nd Aug '13 12:36:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Votes bump.

I'm not sure if this should be kept separate from A Villain Named Zrg. They're both sci-fi tropes.

There's no option of splitting examples between Descriptiveville and A Villain Named Zrg. Also, the crowner's options have similar amounts of supports and opposes.

edited 6th Sep '13 9:07:55 PM by MikuruFan

 72 Willbyr, Sat, 7th Sep '13 9:13:46 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] To the first point: One is people, the other is places...seems clear enough to me to warrant keeping them separate.
Is there a trope about unusually spelled names in science fiction?

 74 Rethkir, Sun, 8th Sep '13 6:32:55 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
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That lists A Planet Named Zok as a Sub-Trope. Would A Villain Named Zrg be a subtrope as well?

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