Needs Help: Holy Child get usage counts

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What differentiates this trope from The President's Daughter or Living MacGuffin specifically? From the description alone it basically sounds like a Living MacGuffin except that its a young child. Perhaps this trope should be merged? Or Cut?
2 Spark928th May 2013 04:08:37 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm not seeing any distinction here, no.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
3 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 04:20:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
This came up in the Trope Description Improvement Drive. I would just dump this article.
4 AnotherDuck28th May 2013 07:28:23 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
It looks like a mystical version of The President's Daughter. Which is a distinction I don't see a reason for making.

Move examples, cut page?
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5 Spark928th May 2013 08:28:17 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] I agree.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
6 Willbyr28th May 2013 08:33:58 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
+1 to move the examples and cut it.
7 Rethkir28th May 2013 08:37:09 AM from the gap between dimensions
The description looks exactly like The President's Daughter. I support cut and merge.
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8 Larkmarn28th May 2013 08:42:20 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, cut and merge.
Piffy
Cut and merge.
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10 Rethkir28th May 2013 05:39:10 PM from the gap between dimensions
There are only 38 wicks. We could change them all without having to make a redirect.
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As names go The President's Daughter is definitely one of those that I will never respect, because it's named directly after only one version of itself, when the actual definition is cosmetically broader.

edited 28th May '13 5:44:31 PM by Stratadrake

12 Rethkir28th May 2013 06:01:53 PM from the gap between dimensions
Oh, here's the difference: The President's Daughter is always female. Holy Child is not.

edited 28th May '13 7:13:06 PM by Rethkir

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13 AnotherDuck28th May 2013 06:27:26 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
It's in the lump of "women and children". Someone innocent who needs protecting.

I'd support a rename of The President's Daughter if that trope had significant misuse.
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IMHO a Holy Child is much more of a "thing" than The President's Daughter. TPD isn't desirable for who they are, but instead used to manipulate the ones responsible over them. HC can go either way — they might actually have powers or value beyond their connections.

edited 28th May '13 7:10:37 PM by Stratadrake

15 AnotherDuck29th May 2013 04:29:21 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I can see a difference between one being important for what they are and possibly what powers they have, and the other for what connections they have. I don't think the descriptions support that, though.
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There's also that a Holy Child is also frequently a Chosen One of some flavor. No such thing with TPD.
So Holy Child is basically someone who is sought after because of what they are? Don't we already have a trope for that?
18 SeptimusHeap30th May 2013 02:02:31 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
MacGuffin Girl, but only ignoring the "transformation" bit.
20 SeptimusHeap30th May 2013 02:51:05 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That for me looks more like a person that is physically searched, not like a MacGuffin.
So do we have a consensus to merge/cut?
22 SeptimusHeap5th Jun 2013 01:44:05 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I do not think we have consensus here, but I can't check as the connection keeps crawling.
I oppose merging this.

Is anyone going to suggest doing something with this page that isn't merging and purging?
24 SeptimusHeap23rd Jun 2013 10:08:40 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Well, for one thing, you may propose something yourself instead of demanding it from us.

I may recommit for keeping this, but I would have to analyze a bit further.

edited 23rd Jun '13 10:14:46 AM by SeptimusHeap

I don't have a change to propose, but it wasn't me who said this page "Needs Help."

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