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Piffy
Uses "Trope" as a placeholder. Proposing name swap with Russian Reversal.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
Of course. The current name is ridiculous.

Besides, we don't mock tropes, so the reversal here makes no sense.

 3 Native Jovian, Fri, 24th May '13 6:26:31 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
It also needs some example purging. Most of them are simply tropers making Russian Reversal jokes in reference to a work, rather than examples of works that use Russian Reversal jokes.

We may also want to expand the name to include other "transpositional puns" (as the page helpfully informs me that this type of joke is called) that don't involve Soviet Russia. There's already a handful of those types of examples on the page, but neither the trope name more the description seem to allow for them.

edited 24th May '13 6:31:43 PM by NativeJovian

Maybe move the user-made jokes to a Just for Fun page.

 5 Septimus Heap, Sat, 25th May '13 1:46:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I am not sure. Russian Reversal to me doesn't immediately sound like the figure of speech we are talking about here.

 6 Spark 9, Sat, 25th May '13 4:08:14 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Russian Reversal is the established term for this kind of joke; just check google or That Other Wiki.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 7 Septimus Heap, Sat, 25th May '13 4:10:10 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Eek. I would agree with a split between Just for Fun and trope, but now that I see it's a meme, I would not mind just ditching the troper jokes.

 8 Another Duck, Sat, 25th May '13 7:16:01 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I don't really see a significant difference between much of Just for Fun and memes anyway.

I agree with swapping to Russian Reversal, and possibly moving troper jokes to Just for Fun. I also don't see a great loss in cutting them entirely, but if people do like them, sure. Just not on the main wiki.

I think transpositional puns may be included as Tropes Are Not Narrow. I'm not sure a redefinition is even be needed. Transpositional Pun as redirect?
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 9 Native Jovian, Sat, 25th May '13 7:55:39 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Russian Reversal is a pre-existing term for jokes of the type "In America, you [noun] [verb]. In Soviet Russia, [noun] [verb]s you!", but that's just a subtype of the more general "transpositional pun" joke. It might be subtrope-worthy, but looking through the examples on the page, only a handful are actually correct examples of the Russian version. The rest are either transpositional puns that are not Russian Reversals, or else jokes about works, rather than jokes from works.
 10 StarSword, Sat, 25th May '13 8:40:14 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Last I looked the basic transpositional pun was already covered by ISRTMY (hence why the trope is indexed under Older than Television, since Cole Porter pulled one off in the title song of Anything Goes).

Suggestion: Restrict to In-Universe Examples Only.

edited 25th May '13 8:40:49 AM by StarSword

Piffy
[up][tup]
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
 12 Spark 9, Sat, 25th May '13 1:15:07 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 13 Madrugada, Sat, 25th May '13 2:20:25 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Agreed.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 14 Septimus Heap, Sat, 25th May '13 2:23:35 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Giving my Stamp of Approval too.

 15 Native Jovian, Sat, 25th May '13 7:50:47 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Last I looked the basic transpositional pun was already covered by ISRTMY
Not according to the current title or description. Which is why I'm suggesting we fix that.
 16 StarSword, Sun, 26th May '13 10:29:20 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
You and I must be interpreting the description differently then. I think I see the confusion: the basic transpositional pun is mentioned offhand in the first paragraph, then the description focuses mostly on the "compare country A to country B" subtype.

[tup] to broadening description, as several of the examples are the transpositional pun rather than the comparison.
Piffy
Also [tup] expanding the definition/description/what-have-you to be more inclusive of similar jokes

edited 26th May '13 1:05:38 PM by Pig_catapult

Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
 18 Rethkir, Sun, 26th May '13 2:01:50 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Quick history: this name was originally used for the Hollywood Atlas page on Russia, but literally everyone used it for the Russian Reversal. I'm not sure, but I think we may have already had a Russian Reversal page even before the Hollywood Atlas page was created.

 20 Willbyr, Tue, 4th Jun '13 2:06:56 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Crowner's hooked.
 21 Rethkir, Tue, 4th Jun '13 2:54:18 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
I added "Do nothing" so there's something to vote against.

 22 StarSword, Tue, 4th Jun '13 3:24:18 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Added In-Universe Examples Only to the list of options.
 23 StarSword, Thu, 6th Jun '13 7:42:05 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Bump for votes.
 24 Rethkir, Thu, 6th Jun '13 10:04:12 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
We ready to call this? There's near unanimous support for rename to Russian Reversal and In-Universe examples only.

edited 6th Jun '13 10:04:30 PM by Rethkir

 25 kiukiuclk, Thu, 6th Jun '13 10:54:53 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
The Just for Fun page should be "In Soviet Russian, wiki trope you!"

If you remove the jokes, I'm not sure how many examples you would have left.

Page Action: In Soviet Russia Trope Mocks You 2
4th Jun '13 1:28:40 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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