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I noticed. Again, my argument from removing it from Trivia/ is that "actor who appeared in a previous work" is People Sit on Chairs.
A Wizard boyI personally disagree with that. Since we can't go with a "meaning" standard for applying PSOC to Trivia/, we'll have to go with a "notable" standard - if we want such a standard - and HITG handily passes.
What is the "notable" standard? Hey, It's That Guy!, as currently used, applies to at least 99.8 percent of all movies and shows ever made, so I don't understand how it's notable. Now, if we had a page for "none of the actors appeared in other works, " that would be a notable trivia item.
edited 8th Sep '13 8:04:22 PM by AmyGdala
A Wizard boyTechnically speaking, as written, PSOC can't really be applied to Trivia stuff. As for "notable", there are several definitions for that. The one I am using is "people are interested into this", and this is clearly the case here.
I see there's some merit in keeping whatever people are interested in, but we've cut off-mission things that are even more popular than this. The extreme popularity is actually what bothers me so much: on some pages (like Inception, which I quoted in the opening post) the HITG entry is half the page or more, crowding out all the actual trivia points. I also wonder - do people like reading HITG entries? Or (like troper tales) does everyone just really like writing them, delighting in their own perceived cleverness?
A Wizard boyCutting is not an option. The crowner option for that is down in the red. And for the rest, I am again asking how much room for action we have there. I am thinking that we don't have it.
Considering how clear and blatant the misuse is, it would make this wiki look really bad to just ignore it. Are there enough allowable actions on the crowner to have a runoff of some kind?
This would be easier to clear up if we knew exactly what Fast Eddie meant. Has anyone asked him?
Does that mean if nothing changes, we'll have both enshrined blatant misuse of a "trope" and disallowed any action to change that misuse? This is getting kind of absurd.
A Wizard boyOK, speaking personally, I think we ought to ditch the "famous" actor qualifier, thus making all misuse correct. I think that it merely makes the thing subjective and isn't enforceable anyway.
That's the easiest way. Lets everyone keep their fun without any effort on our part, except to fix the description.
I think we should ask Fast Eddie more about this.
What happened to the idea of coding Hey, It's That Guy! so it has a little red dot to remind the user that it should go under the Trivia tab?
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
Hey, It's That Guy! page somehow to match its usage. Not only would it be much easier than scourging the whole wiki of its foul presence, but, frankly, the current definition on the page sucks anyway. It's a poor match for the title and even if it's tropable, which is questionable, it's poorly described.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
A Wizard boyI see some agreement for expanding the description, but not much. I'll sandbox something, although an Inbound Check would be desirable.
A Wizard boyOK, I've made a sandbox for Sandbox.Hey Its That Guy. Also, I've found that we already have a page to find out the name of an actor/actress: You Know That Guy.
That sounds quite a bit like the current description. I thought we were expanding this to accommodate all the misuse?
A Wizard boyYes. That said, we migth want to move the specific scenarios mentioned in the description somewhere else.
A Wizard boyI've pared down the sandbox version a bit: Sandbox.Hey Its That Guy. I am fine with switching that in and move the explanations for specific scenarios to the Analysis/ tab.
It looks good to me.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
A Wizard boyOK, given that this was gathering dust, I've executed the sandbox switxh and pulled some surviving material to the Analysis/ tab.
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