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Misused (new Page Action crowner 2013-05-11): Hey Its That Guy get usage counts

I noticed. Again, my argument from removing it from Trivia/ is that "actor who appeared in a previous work" is People Sit on Chairs.

 127 Septimus Heap, Sun, 8th Sep '13 11:50:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I personally disagree with that. Since we can't go with a "meaning" standard for applying PSOC to Trivia/, we'll have to go with a "notable" standard - if we want such a standard - and HITG handily passes.

What is the "notable" standard? Hey, It's That Guy!, as currently used, applies to at least 99.8 percent of all movies and shows ever made, so I don't understand how it's notable. Now, if we had a page for "none of the actors appeared in other works, " that would be a notable trivia item.

edited 8th Sep '13 8:04:22 PM by AmyGdala

 129 Septimus Heap, Mon, 9th Sep '13 12:38:23 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Technically speaking, as written, PSOC can't really be applied to Trivia stuff.

As for "notable", there are several definitions for that. The one I am using is "people are interested into this", and this is clearly the case here.

I see there's some merit in keeping whatever people are interested in, but we've cut off-mission things that are even more popular than this. The extreme popularity is actually what bothers me so much: on some pages (like Inception, which I quoted in the opening post) the HITG entry is half the page or more, crowding out all the actual trivia points.

I also wonder - do people like reading HITG entries? Or (like troper tales) does everyone just really like writing them, delighting in their own perceived cleverness?

 131 Septimus Heap, Mon, 9th Sep '13 6:02:11 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Cutting is not an option. The crowner option for that is down in the red. And for the rest, I am again asking how much room for action we have there. I am thinking that we don't have it.

Considering how clear and blatant the misuse is, it would make this wiki look really bad to just ignore it.

Are there enough allowable actions on the crowner to have a runoff of some kind?

Nope. Only two green options, both disallowed.
This would be easier to clear up if we knew exactly what Fast Eddie meant. Has anyone asked him?

Does that mean if nothing changes, we'll have both enshrined blatant misuse of a "trope" and disallowed any action to change that misuse? This is getting kind of absurd.

 136 Septimus Heap, Mon, 9th Sep '13 3:24:46 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, speaking personally, I think we ought to ditch the "famous" actor qualifier, thus making all misuse correct. I think that it merely makes the thing subjective and isn't enforceable anyway.

That's the easiest way. Lets everyone keep their fun without any effort on our part, except to fix the description.
I think we should ask Fast Eddie more about this.

What happened to the idea of coding Hey, It's That Guy! so it has a little red dot to remind the user that it should go under the Trivia tab?

 140 Fighteer, Mon, 16th Sep '13 11:21:21 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
We have requested exactly such a change for items that should go on Trivia, but Eddie hasn't coded it yet.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 141 Troacctid, Thu, 26th Sep '13 7:23:51 PM from California
As much as I'd like to purge this from the wiki, there's no way it's worth the monolithic effort it would take to fix all the wicks, and Eddie doesn't seem interested in a mass purge.

Way I see it, the best option we're left with is to change the main Hey, It's That Guy! page somehow to match its usage. Not only would it be much easier than scourging the whole wiki of its foul presence, but, frankly, the current definition on the page sucks anyway. It's a poor match for the title and even if it's tropable, which is questionable, it's poorly described.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 142 Septimus Heap, Fri, 27th Sep '13 12:48:30 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I see some agreement for expanding the description, but not much. I'll sandbox something, although an Inbound Check would be desirable.

 143 Septimus Heap, Sat, 28th Sep '13 3:16:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, I've made a sandbox for Sandbox.Hey Its That Guy.

Also, I've found that we already have a page to find out the name of an actor/actress: You Know That Guy.

That sounds quite a bit like the current description. I thought we were expanding this to accommodate all the misuse?

 145 Septimus Heap, Mon, 30th Sep '13 10:56:40 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Yes. That said, we migth want to move the specific scenarios mentioned in the description somewhere else.

 146 Septimus Heap, Fri, 25th Oct '13 11:37:35 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I've pared down the sandbox version a bit: Sandbox.Hey Its That Guy. I am fine with switching that in and move the explanations for specific scenarios to the Analysis/ tab.

It looks good to me.

 148 Troacctid, Thu, 7th Nov '13 11:37:38 PM from California
Looks good to me too.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 149 Septimus Heap, Sat, 9th Nov '13 5:03:03 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK, given that this was gathering dust, I've executed the sandbox switxh and pulled some surviving material to the Analysis/ tab.

The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.

Page Action: Hey Its That Guy 2
8th May '13 5:06:56 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
Hey Its That Guy is a Trivia item defined as "An actor you've seen in other works, but you don't remember his name, just his face." We often misuse it for "Here are unrelated other roles played by this film's actors," the just-for-fun game currently covered by Role Association.

All crowner items will apply to the mirror trope, Hey Its That Voice, as well.

Usage stats between both tropes: 9,448 wicks and 2,657 inbounds.
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