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Ambiguous Name: Neocon Newscaster get usage counts

 1 StarSword, Mon, 6th May '13 3:35:32 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Yes, I'm TRSing my own trope.

A couple months after I launched it I wandered onto the discussion tab and discovered that "neocon" didn't mean what I thought it meant (it actually refers to the so-called "California Republican", one who is fiscally conservative but socially liberal, when I thought it just meant arch-conservative). I'd like to get a name more indicative of the trope definition.

edited 6th May '13 3:36:19 PM by StarSword

A neocon isn't fiscally conservative and socially liberal. If anything, it's the opposite - they're okay with deficits and like spending massively on defense, but they're as socially conservative as any other conservative.

 3 StarSword, Mon, 6th May '13 4:11:40 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Well, then I've misunderstood it twice now.

Look, both me and the other guy were going off UsefulNotes.Political Ideologies.

edited 6th May '13 4:18:39 PM by StarSword

Maybe it was different in the 70s... anyway, besides neocon, "newscaster" isn't exactly accurate either, is it? I think this trope covers pundits and talkshow personalities more that literal newscasters, whose personal beliefs are rarely relevant.

 5 StarSword, Mon, 6th May '13 5:58:57 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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[up] Blame Eddie for that part. I went with his name suggestion after you pointed out I was misusing Expy in the original name, Glenn Bexpy. And you're right about what this is supposed to cover: basically fictional versions of Glenn Beck or whoever.

edited 6th May '13 6:00:35 PM by StarSword

 6 nrjxll, Mon, 6th May '13 6:04:55 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Honestly, I really do think something like Fictional Glenn Beck Analogue (except ... better) would be the best way to go, as I couldn't figure out the trope at first but easily got it when I saw him mentioned.

I just don't know how widely recognized his name is outside the US.

edited 6th May '13 6:05:06 PM by nrjxll

The examples though don't just parody Glenn Beck. Several predate him. Some parody Rush Limbaugh, who was famous a decade earlier, and at least one example goes back even earlier.

 8 Septimus Heap, Mon, 6th May '13 11:32:17 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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America politics wonk here. Neocon definitively refers to foreign policy and not to this trope. I like Right Wing Pundit; too few people know Glenn Beck to base the name on them.

 9 Spark 9, Tue, 7th May '13 3:31:11 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I have no idea who Glenn Beck is.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 10 Willbyr, Tue, 7th May '13 4:00:06 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] You're better off for that.
 11 StarSword, Tue, 7th May '13 8:50:37 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
So is the trope "Any pundit with conservative views" or is it "A particular stereotypical depiction of conservative pundits"?

And why limit this to one particular viewpoint?

Pompous Political Pundit could cover the whole spectrum.

edited 7th May '13 9:08:12 AM by Catbert

That would be better. For comparison, we have one page for Fox News Liberal and MSNBC Conservative.

 14 StarSword, Tue, 7th May '13 9:41:35 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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[up][up] That could work, though I have yet to see anyone parody a left-wing pundit like this.

edited 7th May '13 9:42:07 AM by StarSword

Well, the reason why the right-wing version is so popular isn't because of Glen Beck but because of of Rush Limbaugh.

But stil, I think it best to make broad enough to encompase a Keith Olberman paradoy, even if those aren't as common.

Pompous Political Pundit would be more clear, concise and alliterative...

 18 Septimus Heap, Wed, 8th May '13 11:18:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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All these sound somewhat awkward to me.

 19 Nohbody, Wed, 8th May '13 11:22:35 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
StarSword, #14: Poe's Law

tongue

Cheap shot out of the way, I like the PPP option Amy mentioned the best of what's been suggested, and can't really think of anything better.
 20 Madrugada, Wed, 8th May '13 11:24:48 AM Relationship Status: In season
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I like Pompous Political Pundit best of the suggestions.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 21 StarSword, Wed, 8th May '13 11:44:01 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Me too. It keeps the Added Alliterative Appeal but is much less ambiguous.
 22 Willbyr, Wed, 8th May '13 11:49:23 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
+1 for the 3P.
I don't think we need a crowner. Star Sword launched the trope very recently and should be able to rename it without one.

 24 nrjxll, Wed, 8th May '13 4:25:56 PM Relationship Status: Not war
"Pompous" doesn't really sound like the right word. What about Parody Pundit, or Parody Political Pundit if "pundit" isn't a recognizable term on its own?

 25 Nohbody, Wed, 8th May '13 4:39:46 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
^ One can be a pundit about things that aren't political, like f'rex sports.

As for "pompous", looks like it applies to me.

Alternative Titles: Neocon Newscaster
28th May '13 4:31:17 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
The previous crowner agreed to broaden Neocon Newscaster to encompass non-conservative political pundits. With that in mind, what should the new name be?
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