Needs Help: White Haired Pretty Girl get usage counts

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101 kiukiuclk15th Jun 2013 06:10:08 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 , Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
Maybe something like White Hair Is Special because, well it pretty much always is. (I don't mind attractiveness being in it, as that often seems to come in also) The only way a character with it isn't significant is if they are old. The only difficulty I see is that isn't really "arcane" as that would seem to rule out examples without "arcane" as an in-universe concept. I just thinking that all the sci-fi examples would tend to end up as misuses somewhere else or start generating duplicates tropes or something.

It would probably be to much work, but it feels like this and White Hair, Black Heart should be be unifiend into a "white hair is significant" trope and just note in the description that male examples tend to be evil and female ones magical. Attractiveness could be mentioned as a common, but not necessary element.
I think that "Otherworldly" would be a better adjective to use than "arcane" or "special" for the name. Special is way to broad. It could mean anything, which will get a lot of mundane and zero context examples. Otherworldly would work better than arcane, because a lot of people don't know what arcane really means. And will just think "oh they're magic". Which isn't always true.

Also do we want to gather some examples from the subversions/exceptions on White Hair, Black Heart to put on here once it's changed? One of the examples, Mushishi, would fit perfectly here. Ginko and at at least three other characters have white hair to show that they've been permanently affected by mushi (supernatural creatures).

edited 15th Jun '13 7:30:46 PM by xanderiskander

[up]Yes, cleanup will be appropriate once we've got stuff worked out.

Also, I think this calls for a alternate names crowner.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
104 Willbyr21st Jun 2013 09:42:27 PM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Alt titles crowner's hooked. I've added in a few options that I saw in-thread and one that came to me on my own...if I missed any, go ahead and add them in.
Hey! How about White Hair Magical Heart?
Is this ready to call?
Oh hey didn't even realize there was a crowner here. Luckily it follows how I'd have voted anyway.
108 Spark927th Jun 2013 02:15:12 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yeah, I think we can call this. Once we've done that, we should also consider whether the image is still suitable (the girl is indeed pretty, but doesn't look particularly mystical).
Special trousers. Very heroic.
109 StarSword28th Jun 2013 12:14:46 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
I wonder if I can dig something out of Amya that we can use. Faye's a perfect example of this.

edited 28th Jun '13 12:15:02 AM by StarSword

110 Noaqiyeum30th Jun 2013 02:09:12 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Ha, I haven't been part of this discussion since halfway through the other thread, and it went through exactly as I suggested. [lol]

Images are probably for an Image Picking thread, but here are some ideas for when it happens:
^ That last one has a blonde haired character in the picture. I really like number 13 though. Definitely shows the character as mystical.

Here's a couple pics from Avatar: The Last Airbender that might work. [1] [2] And this one if we crop around the watermark [3]

edited 30th Jun '13 3:58:06 PM by xanderiskander

112 Noaqiyeum30th Jun 2013 04:05:07 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
[up] It's surprisingly hard to find pictures where the white hair doesn't just reflect the ambient lighting... which is rather annoying, since the most illustrative pictures for 'mystical' tend to involve outright magic, which tends to result in pretty lights.
113 Noaqiyeum1st Jul 2013 09:50:00 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy what do we do to rename this?
114 SeptimusHeap1st Jul 2013 11:05:31 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
It needs to be redefined first.
We already decided to make it, "white-haired = mystical, arcane. Expand to include both genders, physical attractiveness irrelevant." Is there a reason we're waiting to call an obviously winning new name?
116 SeptimusHeap2nd Jul 2013 12:10:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Has the page been changed to fit the new definition?
117 Willbyr2nd Jul 2013 03:56:49 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling for Mystical White Hair.
118 MacronNotes2nd Jul 2013 04:56:45 AM , Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
I replaced White-Haired Pretty Girl's description with the sandboxed description and moved it to Mystical White Hair.

edited 2nd Jul '13 4:57:30 AM by MacronNotes

Do we need to clean the example section?
120 MarqFJA2nd Jul 2013 05:43:16 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
(Latecomer to the party. Should've paid more attention to TRS lately.)

So I assume that cases of "having white hair foreshadows the character having something unnatural/inhuman about their nature" do not fall under Mystical White Hair, do they?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
[up] I'd say white hair foreshadowing something about the character would only count if the reason behind it is revealed later, and then the example should talk about that. Like how the description says it can denote being from a race of Human Aliens, or being marked by something magical/supernatural. If nothing comes of it it's just a person with white hair.

edited 2nd Jul '13 8:20:59 AM by xanderiskander

122 MarqFJA2nd Jul 2013 09:00:13 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Well, what if it was a case like Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII? The first ever successful Half-Human Hybrid with cells/genes from the alien Jenova (that is, born as a hybrid), all three of "the Remnants" that he spawned off are white-haired too (though it could be handwaved as being that they're his "clones"), and the only other known FF 7 character with white hair is Weiss, who is an imperfect Jenova/human hybrid that might have gained the color rather than being born with it (we have no info to indicate which is the case, and he only appears after he became a hybrid) due to his hybridness being due to genetic splicing with another imperfect Jenova/human hybrid.

edited 2nd Jul '13 9:01:03 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
So, can we start cleaning up now? because there's a lot of wicks.
124 MacronNotes2nd Jul 2013 02:25:51 PM , Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
I already started doing the cleanup. I'm going the A wicks.

edited 2nd Jul '13 3:37:50 PM by MacronNotes

Ok, well do the sci-fi examples stay or does this deal strictly with magically cases?

edited 2nd Jul '13 4:17:08 PM by captainpat

Alternative Titles: White Haired Pretty Girl
21st Jun '13 9:36:55 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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