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Needs Help: White Haired Pretty Girl get usage counts

 1 lu 127, Thu, 2nd May '13 11:47:27 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
So, now that we've got White-Haired Pretty Boy down to White Hair, Black Heart, let's tackle this one.

We nailed down that the trope behind Whitehaired Pretty Boy was "white haired aloof bishonen whose looks signify some form of madness and evil". Now, White-Haired Pretty Girl is just a list of pretty girls with white hair, so Not a Trope. The key parts of it are mostly covered by Mystical Waif.

There is however, a trope here, one relating to the silver-white hair. "White hair = magical/supernatural ability, be it good or evil". The trope is in fact gender-neutral. So, a viable idea would be to move what useful examples we have here to Mystical Waif or similar tropes, and rename this to White Hair Is Magical or something along those lines, while gathering male examples.

edited 2nd May '13 11:53:47 PM by lu127

何も恐れる事わ無い
Sure, make it gender neutral, rename and clean up and I'm fine with it. As it is now it's not distinct and just an arbitrary combination of traits.

 3 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd May '13 12:02:18 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Sure, agree on this course of action too.

 4 Spark 9, Fri, 3rd May '13 2:21:47 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Sounds like a plan.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 5 Willbyr, Fri, 3rd May '13 3:56:16 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
+1 for Arha's suggestion.
 6 Larkmarn, Fri, 3rd May '13 6:27:36 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I'm fine with White Hair Is Magical, but might it be a broader trope than that?

What about Unnatural Hair Color Is Magical?

 8 Helter Skelter, Fri, 3rd May '13 3:09:04 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up] You know, I don't know about that. White hair has a disproportionate representation as the "magical" hair color. I guess because it doesn't look too outlandish. White hair looks ethereal, pink hair looks kind of goofy. It's also a color that can't be dyed into human hair (instead you get a really light blonde). You see it in Dragon Age, The Lord of the Rings, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Last Unicorn, and more, I'm sure.

In fact, I'd say that if we specifically omitted works where You Gotta Have Blue Hair, then we'd definitely have a unique trope on our hands.

As far as White-Haired Pretty Girl...I don't know if that really has ever been a trope. I think at most it's perhaps just a more visually distinct example of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes or Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold if there is actually a trope here, and for the rest, well, that's just coincidence with You Gotta Have Blue Hair.

Although I really disagree with the notion that platinum blonde hair should count for any of these white hair tropes.

edited 3rd May '13 3:09:45 PM by helterskelter

Piffy
[up]Even in series where You Gotta Have Blue Hair, white hair specifically still has a fair chance of denoting magicalness, like Kisara from Yu-Gi-Oh!.
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Catbert: Wouldn't most of that fall under Elemental Hair?

edited 3rd May '13 7:44:04 PM by Arha

 11 Helter Skelter, Fri, 3rd May '13 7:58:37 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up][up] Wasn't Kisara the physical representation of a design that had existed years before her character was even conceived of? That is, Blue Eyes White Dragon?

But I still say omit them, unless there's literally only one magical character in the series. Otherwise it seems to easy for it to be a coincidence.

Piffy
[up]Yes, but the fact she had white hair was something people made a big deal of in-universe, so I still feel like it's relevant.

edited 3rd May '13 9:37:59 PM by Pig_catapult

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I'd disaghre that there's not a trope here.

The trope in fact is fairly clear in it's descrpition. It's a situation where white hair denotes that the individual is special in some way. This most commonly takes the form of magical power or some such and non-female examples exist. But what i get from the trope description is that it's normally females that this tends to apply to, (hence the name), and it's ushually magical. A rename might be in order if there are sufficent examples of this that are male. Also before we pick a new name i think it's important to look and see how many examples there are where the white hair isn't indicative of a magical attributte, but instead some other mundane or non-mundane trait. Also if the last point holds water we need a better description.

To quote the existing description.

" white locks tend to mark their owner as special in some way. Maybe her hair is indicative of some spiritual (or outright magical) qualities, or maybe it's a hint of a nonhuman background. At the most mundane, it suggests wisdom beyond her years."

edited 4th May '13 3:15:34 PM by Carl99

 
 14 Septimus Heap, Sat, 4th May '13 3:30:29 PM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
"normally females that this tends to apply to, (hence the name)"

The trope is indeed as you say, but the quoted logic doesn't work. We don't name tropes after common ways the play out, we name them after the trope.

Oh no, not this again. Don't tell me we're going to rename this Significant White Haired Character.

Yes, when you give a character a noticeable, distinguishing characteristic, you mark them as significant. That doesn't make each of these characteristics its own trope. White Hair Means Magic could totally be a trope. White Hair Means Something Anything is not a trope.

"The trope is indeed as you say, but the quoted logic doesn't work. We don't name tropes after common ways the play out, we name them after the trope. "

I've seen countless examples over the years here that do exactly this. The only one i can name of the top of my head is Variant Chess, (incidentally i started a threa for that trope a while back on the premise it was bad for the reason you just stated, and got told it wasn't an issue), though i know i've seen otehr examples at various times.

"Oh no, not this again. Don't tell me we're going to rename this Significant White Haired Character.

Yes, when you give a character a noticeable, distinguishing characteristic, you mark them as significant. That doesn't make each of these characteristics its own trope. White Hair Means Magic could totally be a trope. White Hair Means Something Anything is not a trope. "

Do we need or indeed should there be a seperate trope though for every instance of white hair means X. Thjats multipule tropes your talking about creating and then doing a split from this originol on. It's also somthing i've again seen in the past around here, virtually every trope that is about a special attributte, (apperance or otherwise), boils down to "they hve X attirbutte, this marks them as special".
 
 17 Helter Skelter, Sat, 4th May '13 3:54:20 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up][up] If you're talking about Significant Green-Eyed Redhead, I disagree that it's not a trope. It absolutely is. In fact, the reason it's a trope is because it deliberately doesn't include works with You Gotta Have Blue Hair.

As I mentioned above, I feel the true trope here is that white hair is disproportionately represented as the magical hair color. Not necessarily in that they are magic users, but there's a mystical quality about them, like Dany in A Song of Ice and Fire.

I disagree that this white hair generally signifies this character is relevant. I don't see it used in that way. I think if you do, it's basically just a coincidence or a result of the trope I mentioned above. As I said above, I think it's the more fantastic version of most blonde tropes. Basically in that it denotes the normal tihngs blonde hair denotes, but it looks cooler.

edited 4th May '13 3:55:05 PM by helterskelter

"I disagree that this white hair generally signifies this character is relevant. I don't see it used in that way. I think if you do, it's basically just a coincidence or a result of the trope I mentioned above. As I said above, I think it's the more fantastic version of most blonde tropes. Basically in that it denotes the normal tihngs blonde hair denotes, but it looks cooler."

I never said this, sorry if anyone thought i did.

The point is that the current trope can cover white haired individuals who are non-magical, but still have some not quite normal defining characteristic that sets them apart from those around them. Perhaps i shoudl have used distinct instead of special the first tiem round. My communicatioun fu is weak:).
 
 19 Helter Skelter, Sat, 4th May '13 4:20:48 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up] Ah, that I can agree with. As I said, Dany would be an excellent example. Only the people of her family have that hair color, and it signifies a bunch of things. And of course it was chosen as a hair color (along with Purple Eyes) precisely because of how mystical it looks. There wouldn't be many examples, I think, but it would certainly be possible. In Atlantis: The Lost Empire all of the people of the Advanced Ancient Acropolis have white hair, don't have any magical powers of their own, but are definitely supposed to be mystical.

At the very least, perhaps one of us should YKTTW it? It's definitely a trope distinct from the current.

edited 4th May '13 4:25:20 PM by helterskelter

 21 Helter Skelter, Sat, 4th May '13 4:50:05 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Alabaster Hair Of The Arcane (Or White/Ashen/Ivory and Estoteric/Mystical/Otherworldly)? White Mane Of Arcane?

edited 4th May '13 4:50:38 PM by helterskelter

Arcane White Mane does sound kind of cool...

Mystical White Hair or Otherwordly White Hair doesn't sound different from this. Currently this isn't just magical white hair but white or platinum blond hair signifying being special... spiritual... nonhuman... having wisdom beyond her years. It might be outright magical, but not necessarily.

Yeah Otherworldly White Hair sounds good.

I'll probably take an attempt at sandboxing that in the morning.

edited 4th May '13 6:29:50 PM by Carl99

 

Alternative Titles: White Haired Pretty Girl
21st Jun '13 9:36:55 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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