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We Need to Clear Memory in Yack Fest Additional Information Here:

Greetings Tropers,

TV Tropes has encountered a storage/memory issue and we need to start cutting some old threads in Yack Fest.

We anticipate cutting those threads in Yack Fest that have not had any activity since December 31, 2011.

If there is a thread in Yack Fest prior to that date that you would like to preserve please let us know via a post in this thread.

Please note that bumping a thread in Yack Fest to preserve it won't work and is irritating.

If you want to save something for yourself, archive it for yourself.

If you believe the thread is significant please let us know in this thread. Please understand that we can't save everything, so choose carefully.

edited 28th Apr '13 10:03:49 PM by Madrugada

 1 blackcat, Sun, 28th Apr '13 9:53:12 PM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Greetings Tropers,

TV Tropes has encountered a storage/memory issue and we need to start cutting some old threads in Yack Fest.

We anticipate cutting those threads in Yack Fest that have not had any activity since December 31, 2011.

If there is a thread in Yack Fest prior to that date that you would like to preserve please let us know via a post in this thread.

Please note that bumping a thread in Yack Fest to preserve it won't work and is irritating.

If you want to save something for yourself, archive it for yourself.

If you believe the thread is significant please let us know in this thread. Please understand that we can't save everything, so choose carefully.

edited 28th Apr '13 10:03:49 PM by Madrugada

Love extends the boundaries of what people can accept, but don't depend on it.
 2 Trivialis, Sun, 28th Apr '13 9:57:37 PM from contemplation
Happiness
How come I can't access those threads already? Like this one?
I don't need praise, I need help.
 3 Madrugada, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:03:40 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
We've run out of memory. That's what's been causing the various weirdnesses with both the wiki and the forums today, and why we're going to purge the old threads.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 4 Lemurian, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:23:49 PM from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Swordmaster out of time
This just goes for Yack Fest? There are no other sub-foras right now that are going to lose older topics?
 5 Madrugada, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:34:42 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Yack Fest is the worst offender. If purging here doesn't free up enough memory, we'll move on to other areas. Probably Forum Games or Forum Role Plays will be next in line — a game that's been dead for a year is virtually never successfully resuscitated.

The safest way to deal with it if there a thread anywhere on the forum that's been dead since the end of 2011, that you want to keep available, is to archive it yourself to your own space.

TRS and IP will be the last ones affected, only if we have to go that far.

edited 28th Apr '13 10:37:09 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 6 Lemurian, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:37:36 PM from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Swordmaster out of time
Okay. It's just that I've got an RPG over in Role Playing that I haven't finished archiving yet, so I just have to make sure it won't be gone when I wake up...
 7 Irene, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:41:22 PM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Myo
Threads I think are significant enough to save: The Nunnery, Troper Updates, A Single Unified LGBT Thread.

I'm torn between The Trash Heap and Random Thoughts. They're essentially the exact same thread overall. Random crap of little importance. I know the Trash Heap kind of has a group of Tropers, almost like a Club, if you will, although I don't know if Random Thoughts has one. I'd say keep either of those, if we have to remove redundant threads.

I don't see any current reason to remove the Roleplaying section, although eventually, if needed, some closed games can go(atleast the 100% dead sign-ups and Discussion threads for starters).
 8 Madrugada, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:52:33 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
The only threads that will be purged are those that have been inactive since December 31st of 2011. All of those are active threads. They are not included as candidates for the purge.

Lemurian, the R Ps will still be there in the morning. But finishing your back-up ASAP would be a good idea.

edited 28th Apr '13 10:53:54 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 9 Lemurian, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:53:08 PM from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Swordmaster out of time
The Imperium of Man Comes to Gensokyo is a currently locked RPG that has not had any activity since December 7th 2010. However, the reason for this is that it's finished and we are currently playing a sequel. We really need the original content that's in there for building on the sequel, since not all of the original players are around any more and joint memory can only go so far. I've been working on archiving it in Word, but it's not yet finished (because the machine I was saving it on conked out). If you can just spare it for a couple of days, I'll get the other players together and we can divide what's left between us and get it archived. But right now I'm awake at 8 AM after having been working all night, so I can't do anything.
 10 Madrugada, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:54:38 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
We aren't going to purge the R Ps now. Only Yack Fest.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 11 Irene, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:54:39 PM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Myo
[up][up][up] I meant if that eventually happens.

Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

edited 28th Apr '13 10:54:47 PM by Irene

 12 Lemurian, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:55:31 PM from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Swordmaster out of time
Okay, that's a relief. Thank you very much. I'll finish the archiving as soon as possible.
Question here since I don't participate much in the forums and more on Wiki side: is there anything we can do on Wiki side to help with memory? Are larger pages an issue (e.g. do we need to stop adding to pages, especially if they have a lot of information or a lot of tropes already? I've been adding to Truth in Television, but seeing as it's already Trope Overdosed, if it's dragging the servers I'll stop).

Do we need to stop creating new pages for the time being? (I was trying to start a wikiproject to make more pages for Visual Kei bands and artists by deliberate redlinking some artists/bands on Visual Kei and, when I wasn't doing other things and felt inspired/knowledgable enough, writing pages myself)

Any other Wiki-side issues we need to start working on to improve memory?

edited 28th Apr '13 10:59:13 PM by RevolutionStone

 14 Madrugada, Sun, 28th Apr '13 10:59:14 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Nope. We're looking at some possibilities for where we might be able to save some space wiki-side, but the wiki is the primary purpose of the whole site. It will be the last place we make cuts
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
[tup]

I'm still unable to view any of the older threads, which might make it difficult for people to make a pick as to what should stay and go if they can't view it either. In fact, the problem seems to be specifically limited to those that haven't had activity on or before that date— anything more recent than that is fine.

 17 0dd 1, Sun, 28th Apr '13 11:32:41 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
Honestly, if the threads have been dead for over two years now, I'd say there's no big loss in cutting them all. If people really still wanted them around, they'd still be getting activity. Maybe for nostalgia's sake people would get upset (and I can certainly understand that—I too really love going back and seeing what a pathetic douche I used to be looking at my older posts), but I'd say that server space outweighs nostalgia in terms of what'd be best for the site.
Insert witty and clever quip here.

My page, as the database hates my handle.

My music.
 18 Balmung, Sun, 28th Apr '13 11:33:52 PM from Omaha, Nebraska Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Cosmic Star Troper
If anyone wants some perspective as to how many threads are going poof (or wants to know which to check for stuff you want to keep), every page past 13 (and half of that page) would be purged in YF, meaning that well over half of YF threads have been dead for over a year. For FG, every page after 8 would be purged, as well as about a quarter of page 8, meaning that more than half of all Forum Games threads have also been dead for over a year.

If we do the same thing to IJAM, it loses every page after page 3 and about a third of page 3. Additionally, there are 28 pages of IJAM (compared to 30 of YF), meaning only about one sixth of IJAM threads have been active in the last year and nearly five months. I suppose that what I am saying is that IJAM has a LOT of dead threads.

We probably don't need many (if any) OTC threads that have been dead since 12/31/2011 either, and OTC has an astounding number of threads that would be removed. Only the first eight pages have been used since 12/31/11 and there are 31 pages, so there's a lot of dead weight to trim there, as well.

If you want to archive something, those are probably the forums (as well as RP) that you most need to check, seeing as those seem most likely to see these cuts, and this should give you an idea of what pages to start checking on.

[up]It's closer to one year (end of '11 to end of '12 + almost five months)

edited 28th Apr '13 11:42:55 PM by Balmung

 19 0dd 1, Sun, 28th Apr '13 11:42:13 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
So I miscounted, about a year and a half. Doesn't change how I feel at all though. To also put it into perspective, very few of those old dead threads attracted much attention in the first place—I perused through about an hour or so ago and saw that the majority of them never even made it to 50-75 posts.
Insert witty and clever quip here.

My page, as the database hates my handle.

My music.
 20 Balmung, Sun, 28th Apr '13 11:46:18 PM from Omaha, Nebraska Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Cosmic Star Troper
Honestly, odds are that if we did this to the media forums, they wouldn't lose anything of value either.

I suppose that I'm also saying that I'm cool with this and for all I care, it can go through all of the dead threads on all of the subfora.

In particular, the Video Games forum is a mess, with countless dead, duplicate, complaining, and pointless threads from way back when that we could stand to drop regardless of anything else.

edited 28th Apr '13 11:48:20 PM by Balmung

 21 Tech Powah, Mon, 29th Apr '13 12:48:01 AM from the room down the hall Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
Is there an exact time set to start purging threads?

edited 29th Apr '13 12:49:03 AM by TechPowah

The New Age of Awesome is here! Not even the sky is the limit!
I want Kat's glasses!
Is the fact some tropes (like Dangerously Genre Savvy) no longer have an history related to this problem?
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Medinoc: Yes — this TW thread has more information. One of the wiki history tables ran out of room, so edits weren't saving and some pages lost their history.
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 24 Game Guru GG, Mon, 29th Apr '13 1:52:41 AM from 12,000 BC Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Princess
I would say the RP forums actually wouldn't be all that useful in getting memory down. While only half of the topic in the various RP forums section have posts after December of 2011, there's only about 6-8 pages for each of the sections. It'd be more helpful on memory to actually cut IJAM and OTC using the same cutoff date than the RP forums.

edited 29th Apr '13 1:53:48 AM by GameGuruGG

 25 Madrugada, Mon, 29th Apr '13 4:28:10 AM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
We will be looking at what to purge and in what order, and we don't expect to do any purging without some warning.

But yes, if there's an old thread you want a copy of — one that hasn't been posted in since the end of 2011, it's a good idea to save it now, rather than waiting for the last minute.

Tech Powah: No, there's no deadline minute we can give you.

Game Guru GG: To address your point: how much space can be opened up in each section is part of what we're looking at in deciding what will be purged, but only part of it.

Most dead RPs aren't huge threads, true, but each individual game has two or three threads, (the sign-up, the discussion/OOC thread and the game itself.)

We're also considering how likely it is that a thread can be necro'd after a year and a half successfully. The RP's are well down on that list — once an RP has gone moribund, it's extremely unlikely to come back to life.

A third thing is what the section contributes to the community and to the wiki. And that's where the RPs really don't shine. Every time that Eddie has pulled up the "Most active posters in the forums" list and we've looked at where those posters do most of their posting, it's been striking that many of the most-prolific posters post in RPs and only in RPs, and have few edits to the wiki. In other words, they're not a part of the greater TV Tropes community, and they aren't helping the wiki. To a degree, we're supporting a completely unrelated community in the RP section..

edited 29th Apr '13 4:42:41 AM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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