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Misused: Slap Slap Kiss get usage counts

I am the Phoenix King
This trope often used to mean "there is attraction between two characters, but also anger and frustration". That is Belligerent Sexual Tension. This trope literally means "a character hits another then kisses them".

 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:11:26 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Fixed the article link.

This has 1000+ wicks and 3500 inbounds. We'll need some hard evidence of misuse here.

I am the Phoenix King
From the Hey Arnold! Character Page: and
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: With Arnold.
  • The writers of Wizards of Waverly Place seem to have given Justin and Alex, who are brother and sister, an almost Slap-Slap-Kiss-like dynamic. It stems, just like the example from Chuck, from the fact that Justin was intended to be a next-door neighbour only for it to be switched late on in pre-production. It doesn't help that one episode featured Alex accidentally wishing that everyone forgot Justin was her brother, causing their own mother to comment that they'd make a cute couple.
  • The writers of Wizards of Waverly Place seem to have given Justin and Alex, who are brother and sister, an almost Slap-Slap-Kiss-like dynamic. It stems, just like the example from Chuck, from the fact that Justin was intended to be a next-door neighbour only for it to be switched late on in pre-production. It doesn't help that one episode featured Alex accidentally wishing that everyone forgot Justin was her brother, causing their own mother to comment that they'd make a cute couple.
  • Writers on Buffy the Vampire Slayer realized they were writing way too much Slap-Slap-Kiss into Cordelia and Xander's interactions, so they just went with it and made them a couple.
  • In Fullmetal Alchemist, by the end of the series, Ed and Winry are 100% official, and Roy and Riza are as close to an official couple as you can get without official declaration. The Yaoi Fangirls refuse to see this, as it interferes with Ed/Roy. They even claim that Ed has a "tsundere" reaction to Roy (after all, the more passionate he appears to hate him, the more passionate his underlying love must be!), when in fact his true tsundere behavior is towards Winry.

There's also a couple I managed to fix. I will show them to you how there were pre repair.

From the relationship writing fumble page:

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:05:12 AM by randomtroper89

That's not how you show misuse. Grab fifty random links from this page, find the Slap-Slap-Kiss examples, and then post them here as correct, misused, or unclear.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:05:13 AM by Discar

Is there serious misuse here or what?

 6 nrjxll, Tue, 21st May '13 10:46:43 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]My purely subjective opinion is yes. I can't remember ever seeing this used as the literal version instead of as a synonym for Belligerent Sexual Tension.

I agree. In my experience, when I do see it it's being used wrong.

So what's to be done? Clean up the dubious examples and go on our merry way?

Edit: Ok rereading this trope it does sound somewhat like Belligerent Sexual Tension. Is this trope when there are couples who fight then kiss, fight then kiss, and fight then kiss or make up repeatedly?

edited 21st May '13 11:02:41 PM by MissKitten

They're in the middle of fighting and then suddenly sexyfuntimes of varying levels ensue.

I think Slap-Slap-Kiss is when they fight and suddenly start being affectionate. Belligerent Sexual Tension seems to focus on the slap slap part and will fade into gentle affection. There are a few good examples but there does seem to be a lot of Belligerent Sexual Tension on Slap-Slap-Kiss.

Slap-Slap-Kiss is an action, the act of going from angry to affectionate. Belligerent Sexual Tension is an interaction, arguing with each other is a mask that hides their affectionate feelings even from themselves.

They are closely related because the long term belligerent interaction occasionally gives way to a kiss but I agree, too many people use Slap-Slap-Kiss as a catch-all for what is really Belligerent Sexual Tension.

 12 Larkmarn, Wed, 22nd May '13 6:49:58 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
What KJ said.

Slap-Slap-Kiss is an action that indicates Belligerent Sexual Tension. Really, it might be the ultimate expression of it.

But yeah, subjectively, I see it misused a lot. But if we want a rename, we're going to need more concrete evidence. That's a lot of wicks.

 13 Spark 9, Wed, 22nd May '13 7:19:29 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm not seeing a practical difference here, really. And we do have evidence of misuse. Perhaps a merge is in order.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Well there is a practical difference, I'm just not sure if editors can keep them properly separate. Belligerent Sexual Tension is not always characterized by the use of Slap-Slap-Kiss and often a Slap-Slap-Kiss ends up ending the belligerent part as they realize their feelings for each other.

There's a difference.

  • Belligerent Sexual Tension is trading in the flirting in a relationship for bickering and snark. They argue and fight all the time, largely because they can't be honest and admit they like each other and annoy each other sometimes. By contrast, any romantic moments are intended to carry more weight.
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss is two people in the middle of an actual fight who suddenly stop and begin making out or something right on the spot. The classic example that's right in the name is one slaps the other, the other slaps them back, there's a poss and suddenly they're kissing.

These tropes are related and if you have Slap-Slap-Kiss it's almost always in the middle of a Belligerent Sexual Tension relationship, but that's like saying Relationship Upgrade and Their First Time are the same thing. One usually follows from the other, but they're not the same thing.

Right, Slap-Slap-Kiss is just a physical version of "Shut Up" Kiss. A kiss being used to interrupt some type of physical conflict (usually a slap) as opposed to a kiss being used to interrupt a verbal argument or general rambling.
 
[up][up] Yeah, but if a significant number of tropers ignore that difference, is it really a difference at all?

Piffy
[up]Yes.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
^^ Yes.

Hmm, I'm inclined to kind of disagree. To me, it's only a difference if it's enforceable. If not, we might as well give in to it. It's not like we haven't done it before; look at Adaptation Decay and Humans Are Bastards.

Piffy
If we rename this, we'll want to get a complementary name for the reverse-order trope, Kiss-Kiss-Slap
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
 22 Spark 9, Mon, 27th May '13 4:23:55 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
@17: I would say "arguably not". Some differences are academic only, in that they're small enough to not warrant splitting a page over (this is, after all, why we have numerous pages with 'type A', 'type B' and so forth).
Special trousers. Very heroic.
???

1: I am pretty sure this is a pre-existing name in the business for this trope. I at least heard it back in the 90s, so I don't think we should go renaming it. (I think it 's older then that, as I'm pretty sure it was used by producers to describe the Maureen O'Hara John Wayne relationship in The Quiet Man).

Nor is it used only to literally mean a scene with a slap, slap and then a kiss. It's often used in the form "Slap-Slap-Kiss type relationship" to mean a hostile relationship that has romantic tension that is resolved with a kiss. (The kiss is usually literal). This is probably because Belligerent Sexual Tension hasn't yet migrated beyond TV Tropes.

2: What evidence of misuse? Nobody has actually shown misuse, everyone is just saying that they see it misused. From what I see looking over the examples there is some misuse, and a significant amount of example cruff.

Still that to me suggests we need an example clean up, not a merge or rename. Also consider that Slap-Slap-Kiss is a much older trope than Belligerent Sexual Tension and so might have accumulated examples before BST was launched.

edited 27th May '13 8:04:09 AM by Sackett

 
30 random selections from this page (although I did grab most of them from early in the page so lots of "A" trope names): http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/SlapSlapKiss

Aeterna Roma:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: How he and Felix came to be. Hate pretty much turned into love (though lots of punching, biting, and kicking was involved).

Probably correct- although I don't know the material

Aggressive Submissive:

Correct (made clear by a later example)

All Amazons Want Hercules:
  • Dwight from Sin City is already Mr. Fanservice but his relationship with Gail is a good illustration of this trope. Case in point: The Big Fat Kill. When he returned to Old Town after the events of A Dame To Kill For (and because he had gotten them into some trouble in this very story), Gail had a gun pointed at his head. He didn't flinch and instead, formulated a plan to get them out of the current mess they were in. He then demanded that she take the gun away. She didn't listen so he slapped her. She responded with "You bastard!" which was followed by, "I forgot how quick you were" which was then followed by her pulling him in for a quick makeout session.
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Correct

All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder:

Correct

A Miscellaneous Tale Of Night And Day:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: You may say this fits in perfectly with Sapph to Ruby, which it does, but it turns out that the more appropriate couple to trope this to is Young!Crys to Young!Gold.

Unclear

Anatolia Story:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: The first few moments between Kail and Yuri appear like this, until they fall for each other for real.

Unclear, but probably correct

Angel Heart:

Unclear, but I'm suspicious of this one

Animal Assassin:
  • Zig Zagged: Charlotte is accidentally bitten trying to hide a snake in Dave's hotel room... and Dave is the only doctor on the island, forcing her to confess to him... needlessly, since he doesn't actually know anything about that particular kind of medicine... causing Charlotte to loose her temper, pick up the snake, and start beating him with it... until a passing herpetologist casually informs them that the snake isn't actually a poisonous variety in the first place... at which point Charlotte and Dave resolve what turns out to have been their lovers' quarrel. (And in a little snippet after the credits, we see Charlotte getting fined for cruelty to animals, the snake having finally escaped to call the cops on them.)

Correct

Tsundere/Anime (Oh crap... sigh, yeah it's all over the page on this one, I'll just grab three examples):

Unclear, Correct, Unclear

Anime & Manga:

Correct

Anime & Manga:

Correct - example itself is unclear, but I happen to know the material and boy is it ever literally correct.

Anime & Manga:

Unclear, but I'm suspicious that this might be misuse

Anime And Manga D-G:

Sounds correct since the preceding hyperlink cites Megaton Punch

Anne of Green Gables:

Unclear since I don't know the material

Anthropomorphic Personification:

Correct

Apollos Song:

Unclear

Arranged Marriage:
  • Sayaka in Kaitou Saint Tail is trapped in an unhappy engagement that centers around a veil belonging to the other family; if Saint Tail steals it and returns it to Sayaka's fiance, she'll be free to go. The only problem is that Sayaka has a tremendous crush on Asuka Jr. Meimi quickly helps the poor girl anyway, but the situation muddles her feelings even more.

Unclear

Banjo-Kazooie:
  • Well, there is the idle animation for the first two games where Kazooie bugs Banjo by pecking him on the head for fun and the second time she does it Banjo grabs her by the neck and tugs her really hard: that's some stuff in the game where the two weren't exactly getting along. Then there's the Breegull Bash move in Tooie and in the first game's manual she does call Banjo fur face in the story section of the booklet.

Correct

Batman Supporting Cast:
  • Catwoman
    • Slap-Slap-Kiss: Has this with Batman, but she seems to have an affinity for it by making it happen all the time.

Correct (Although I guess it depends on which version).

Bernice Summerfield:

Unclear

Blue Heelers:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: Nick and Dr Zoe Hamilton, eventually leading to their marriage and moving to Richmond. Tess and Jonesey do this a bit as well.

Unclear

Captain Blood:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: The perfect description of Peter and Arabella's relationship.

Unclear, but given the genre and time period of the film? Probably correct

Celtic Mythology:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: Diarmuid and Grainne have this initially after eloping: they fled from Fionn and the Fianna and were on the run for weeks, but despite them being madly in love, Diarmuid refuses to have sex with her, out of loyalty to Fionn, who was to be married to Grainne before she fell in love with Diarmuid. One day, while on the run Grainne steps into a puddle and water splashes between her thighs. She mocks Diarmuid, saying how even water in a puddle is braver than he is. His noble pride hurt, Diarmuid finally makes love to Grainne.

Unclear

Class Clown:
  • Lucas Cott in Johanna Hurwitz's Class Clown. Eventually he grows out of this role and his Foe Yay Slap-Slap-Kiss Toy Ship relationship with Cricket Kaufman becomes friendly as he demonstrates how smart he really is.

Unclear

Concrete, Bulletproof, Invisible and Fried:
  • Ho Yay: Oh, the Ho Yay... Where to start?
    • Al Jourgensen has Ho Yay with... well, pretty much everyone. His closest relationships tend to be one of two types: Slap-Slap-Kiss (with Paul Barker, Bill Rieflin and Chris himself) or Mad Love (with Phildo Owen, Jay, Poodle, Princess and various other Yes Men). Such moments include:
      • Someone referring to the large crop of musicians he surrounds himself with as his, uh, "Boy-Toys."
      • Al throwing a tantrum after finding out that Paul went out drinking without him.
      • After Al gets heavily into heroin and his wife leaves him, Paul and Bill both take turns living with him to try to keep him clean.
      • Chris describing a meeting with Al and Paul as being like parents announcing to their kids that they're getting divorced.
      • Chris and Al repeatedly bicker about everything under the sun but also repeatedly (direct quote) "kiss and make up." The Ho Yay reaches critical mass, though, when they fight over Chris' friendship with a woman* Al doesn't like.
    • Al's relationship with Ogre, on the other hand, is in a class all by itself. It's mentioned off-hand that they live together briefly and do lots of drugs. Al eventually invites Ogre to tour with Ministry and is annoyed when Ogre brings his girlfriend along.
—-> He (Al) seemed to be determined to tell the world that he and Ogre were tight. He should've just thrown a press conference, or just bitten Ogre in the neck and sucked his blood, no difference.

Incorrect- but it is a YMMV so it's not that surprising.

Cowboy Bebop:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: Subverted; Faye and Spike bicker constantly, but it never gets past a proto-UST stage.

May be incorrect example (since the example points out trope doesn't actually occur), but the trope is used and understood correctly, so I think this goes in the correct pile

Dead or Alive:
  • Lei Fang:
    • Slap-Slap-Kiss: Her relationship with Jann Lee is quite complicated, he has been ignoring Lei Fang since day one but never refused her challenges; Lei Fang won against Jann in the 4th DOA tournament, Jann could leave at that, but as Lei Fang went to face Alpha-152 he went out of his way to aid her.

Unclear

Shiroi Heya no Futari:

Unclear

Significant Green-Eyed Redhead:
  • Gwen Tennyson from Ben 10. Being the cousin of the main character does not stop them from being considered love interests, which is the main reason Gwen falls in love with Kevin in Ben 10: Alien Force.

Sounds correct considering the other tropes cited

Sweet Jade And Hella John:
  • Slap-Slap-Kiss: It's implied that the relationship between Jade and Jake's mother and Dave and Dirk's father was like this.

Unclear

Haven't counted, but looks to me like the bigger problem are no context examples rather then misuse. Maybe someone who knows the different materials can help sort out the unclear ones.

edited 27th May '13 8:05:12 AM by Sackett

 
 25 nrjxll, Mon, 27th May '13 12:22:19 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]I'm really skeptical about a lot of the cases you marked as "correct", as they sound like they're describing a general relationship. Only some of them actually mention a specific incident.

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