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Ambiguous Name: Dead Herring get usage counts

Piffy
Not so much "ambiguous name" as "completely wrong name". The author demonstrates absolutely zero understanding of what a Red Herring is.

edited 21st Apr '13 10:29:13 AM by Pig_catapult

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 2 Spark 9, Sun, 21st Apr '13 10:36:30 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
...what...
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Piffy
Uh, is that a "what" at me, or a "what" at the page?
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 4 Spark 9, Sun, 21st Apr '13 10:47:16 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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At the page. I completely fail to see what purpose it has. It's clearly not a trope, and purports to be an index for six different kinds of things that are already indexed elsewhere. And, as you say, that's not what Red Herring means.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 5 Septimus Heap, Sun, 21st Apr '13 10:51:15 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
So...type labels...misuse of terminology...unclear purpose...anything else?

This is Red Herring Character, right?

 6 Spark 9, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:01:37 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up] No, it's not Red Herring Character. It's Character That Dies On The Show Except When He Doesn't. The first three "types" are a reiteration of the Death Tropes index, whereas the latter two are "chracter that suffers but does not die". The header suggests that this is about minor characters only, but most of the listed tropes don't actually have that restriction (nor should they). It's a big mess.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 7 Septimus Heap, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:03:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
"Character that only exists to die/suffer" - akin to Red Shirt. Somehow, I feel like cutting or redirecting it.

 8 Editor Pall Mall, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:08:22 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
This is not a trope. It is a poorly thought out index. I support cutting as well.
Keep it breezy!
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Cut cut chop chop slice.
I must be cruel, but to be kind That bad may begin, and worse be left behind
I also support cutting this. Despite having gone through YKTTW, it's very poorly thought out.

 11 StarSword, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:23:38 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Another black mark: I checked to see if it went through YKTTW (edit: ninja'd), and it turns out that it was launched with only a single hat.

It seems to me this is supposed to be a sorting algorithm or some such of how likely a character is to die. It may be keepable, but I'm leaning towards cut.

edited 21st Apr '13 11:24:20 AM by StarSword

 12 Septimus Heap, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:24:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
One thing: It has 81 inbounds. Where can we redirect it if the cut gets declined.

 13 m8e, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:24:22 AM from Sweden Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
We could turn it into a Useful Notes. Just for Fun.

edited 21st Apr '13 11:49:11 AM by m8e

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 14 Madrugada, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:41:59 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's not even a Useful Notes page. That's for Real Life things that underlie or are directly related to tropes. This is just a badly made index someone thought would be a good idea.

My vote is cut it and redirect the name to Death Tropes.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 15 Spark 9, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:48:05 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] I agree.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 16 Septimus Heap, Sun, 21st Apr '13 11:49:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That would be 8 cut votes, unless I miscounted something

<Goes back at staring at incredibly hilarious political cartoons>

 17 Another Duck, Sun, 21st Apr '13 12:16:28 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Looks like a Super Trope defined as Characters as Device + Death Tropes. It doesn't really work as a trope, as the purpose of having a character die varies widely, and "character who dies" is chairsy.

On the other hand, it sort of works as an index for character-deaths-as-devices-except-when-they-just-suffer. I could see it repurposed as a subindex with a better name like Character Death Tropes or something, cutting the non-deaths. But, eh.

edited 21st Apr '13 12:17:02 PM by AnotherDuck

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 18 StarSword, Sun, 21st Apr '13 1:34:24 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
[up]The TRS thread for Killed Off for Real built an exampleless supertrope, Character Death, to catch misuse of KOFR. Think we might combine them?
 19 Spark 9, Sun, 21st Apr '13 1:47:23 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Character Death strikes me as redundant to Death Tropes.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 20 Septimus Heap, Sun, 21st Apr '13 1:50:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Already discussed; no, because Death Tropes aren't all CD. Also DT is an index.

Anyhow, further opinions on DH.

 21 Another Duck, Sun, 21st Apr '13 2:07:16 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up][up][up]Sounds like an improvement over the current situation.
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Piffy
Well, when I first saw the name, I assumed it was a character who dies, but their death is a Red Herring and doesn't actually have to do with whatever other larger mystery is afoot. Like, maybe they were involved in something to do with the main mystery and so their death is suspicious, but then it turns out they got killed by someone else for reasons completely unrelated to the main mystery. I'm just not sure how often that actually happens in fiction.

edited 21st Apr '13 3:23:51 PM by Pig_catapult

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 23 Xtifr, Sun, 21st Apr '13 3:42:58 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]That seems a bit too much like the same but more specific. On the other hand, this name might work for a trope about failed attempts to create a red herring. A more metaphorical type of death—like dead horse.

But that's all YKTTW work. For now, I support making this a redirect without prejudice against any future trope that might actually fit the name.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 24 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 21st Apr '13 3:56:59 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I took the name to mean a character in a mystery who appears to be the villain until they suddenly die.

Also, I think types IV and V are redundant to This Index Has Had a Hard Life, for what it's worth. I say we just redirect it to Red Herring.
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 25 Madrugada, Sun, 21st Apr '13 4:47:07 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Why redirect it to Red Herring? They aren't related at all; doing that will send people to a page that has little to nothing to do with what they might be looking for.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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