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Duplicate Trope: Art Imitates Art get usage counts

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1 Spark921st Apr 2013 09:50:15 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Okay, we're having a bunch of duplicated tropes here.

Art Imitates Art is about how certain artistic poses or scenes have become so symbolic that they are used often in popular works as references or parody. Many of these have their own page as subtropes, such as Abbey Road Crossing, "Last Supper" Steal, and Pietà Plagiarism. Basically, the page enumerates a few of the subtropes and then gives a few examples that don't belong in a subtrope (although arguably, any scene iconic enough to have its well-known references should have a subtrope page for it).

The first problem: numerous examples on Art Imitates Art actually belong on the subtropes, and are duplicated on the parent.

Second problem: Picture Pastiche is the exact same thing, and also enumerates a few known subtropes and gives more examples of the same. Note that a number of these scenes are also on the Stock Poses index, although they shouldn't be: a stock pose like Death Glare or Ready for Lovemaking is not the same as a stock scene such as The VJ Day Kiss.

My suggestion: merge Picture Pastiche into Art Imitates Art and use that page as the index for relevant subtropes.

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2 SeptimusHeap21st Apr 2013 10:06:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Picture Pastiche is an awful name for that. I support a merge, but not really any other action.
3 Noaqiyeum21st Apr 2013 12:29:41 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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How is The VJ Day Kiss a work of art being imitated rather than a famous scene from real life?
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4 Spark921st Apr 2013 12:34:45 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up] The picture is a work. I don't see how it makes a difference whether the "source work" is a picture, painting, comic book scene, statue, or other kind of work.
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5 AnotherDuck21st Apr 2013 02:11:46 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I support a merge. I don't see a significant difference.

Now, usually I would allow for examples on the supertrope that don't fit under any of the subtropes, but in this case, if it isn't a subtrope, it's not really a popular object of imitation, is it?
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6 Madrugada21st Apr 2013 03:30:00 PM , Relationship Status: In season
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I support merging them as well. And I also support allowing examples on the supertrope that don't fit in any of the subtropes, essentially using the supertrope as a catchnet to identify new ones or ones that we've missed so far. When a particular work gets enough distinct examples (ten or a dozen or 20 — number to be decided later), it's a trope in its own right.

edited 21st Apr '13 3:30:21 PM by Madrugada

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7 Noaqiyeum21st Apr 2013 03:36:55 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Makes sense. I'll support it.
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Merge!
9 SeptimusHeap5th May 2013 07:46:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That is 6 votes in support now.
Most of the examples on Picture Pastiche aren't really examples. They're just citing a famous image and saying in effect that they've Seen It a Million Times.
In uffish thought
Make it seven in support.

12 SeptimusHeap18th May 2013 11:48:04 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Assuming that all the votes here are for merging Picture Pastiche into Art Imitates Art. Confirmation?
Wandering...
I support the merge, too, but I want to ask about the image. I think the one on Picture Pitische or whatever is better than the one on Art Imitates Art, so can we keep that after the merge? I am assuming we're keeping the AIA name since it has more wicks.
14 SeptimusHeap19th May 2013 01:33:05 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I would leave the image decision to Image Pickin'.
In uffish thought
[up][up][up]Confirmation from me at least, though I support leaving a redirect from Picture Pastiche regardless of the few inbounds.

edited 19th May '13 4:48:34 AM by Telcontar

16 AnotherDuck19th May 2013 11:14:51 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]It's not really a bad name either.
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17 Spark920th May 2013 02:29:56 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I agree. Let's have the main page at Art Imitates Art, a redirect from Picture Pastiche, and an Image Pickin' thread to decide on the image.
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18 SeptimusHeap20th May 2013 07:48:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK, did this merger and tagging. Apparently, Art Imitates Art didn't need any cleaning far as I can see.
19 Spark920th May 2013 08:39:53 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I agree.

But while we're here, let's take a quick look at the Stock Poses index. In my opinion, this should either contain all of the subtropes of Art Imitates Art, or none of them. Currently it appears to have some but not all.
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20 AnotherDuck20th May 2013 09:11:44 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]Why?
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21 SeptimusHeap20th May 2013 09:12:52 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, Stock Poses and Art Imitates Art may sometimes overlap, but not always - unless you consider Mona Lisa Smile a Stock Pose.
22 Rethkir20th May 2013 09:14:18 AM from the gap between dimensions , Relationship Status: Singularity
Subtropes currently in Stock Poses are checked.
Pietà Plagiarism
Thinker Pose
Mona Lisa Smile
American Gothic Couple
"Last Supper" Steal
Nighthawks Shot
The Scream
Sistine Steal

[down] Wikipedia "check mark" and "x mark". You can find them in Microsoft Word symbols or any Unicode database as well.

edited 20th May '13 3:58:39 PM by Rethkir

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Piffy
[up]Where do you get those nifty checkmarks and Xs?
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24 SeptimusHeap20th May 2013 02:37:58 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
By copying them?
Piffy
Oh! Those are characters, not images. *fail*
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