I'm sorry to randomly come in and post, but it seems to me that the trope in question isn't quite right. Nationalism is all over the place, even in the most unlikely places, and while the US is certainly guilty of a lot of it, it's hardly the only country in question. Canada, Britain, France, et cetera are all guilty of thinking that they're the ones who turned the tables in WWII [And hello there, Canada, my country of origin, I see we'll never speak again]. Every one of them is guilty of producing films, stories, and other works which render them as the unlikely heroes, because that's good PR.
I think the trope should be expanded to any situation where a country's PR agents claim that they were the deciding force behind a victory. Yes, this still gives us a LOT of films where the US lionizes itself, but it doesn't cut off examples of other politicized fodder from nigh every other nation.
A liter of coffee no longer sends me into palpatations. I need to up my intake.
If it's bad practice to edit crowner options and the only thing we can do is add new options and downvote old ones, then I say we just start over with a new crowner entirely.
The reason I say is because most of the people who came here and voted on the crowner at earlier points in time are likely not going to come back and vote again when presented with options added to the crowner later. Those earlier voters also made that decision lacking what I would consider pretty critical information. Heck, tropers coming in and voting on this probably didn't stop to notice what I pointed outon the last page ...
Just adding new options into an existing crowner that's had time to stew puts newer or replacement voting options at a disadvantage, because more people have voted on the older options than the newer ones. It makes it kind of lopsided.
To jump in late, I don't see how the current winning option is different enough from America Saves the Day to justify keeping it a seperate trope. We already have several tropes that cover politically correct or white-washed depictions of World War II, and we have a Useful Notes section that already cover that angle nicely.
It'd make more sense to make this a broader trope.
Due to popular interest, I created super trope options. It should be a fairly trivial matter for us to toss the misuse into a ykttw while doing the cleanup after a rename, and we should have enough examples to launch when it's clean.
Currently, the only positive is to rename to clarify option, at 15:7.
@86- I wrote the two options in a way that would not be incompatible with the current top option. "Possibly rename" means that the option does not determine whether or not the trope is renamed. It is open to the possibility of rename, but not dictating a rename. The options describe a relationship to the trope rather than an action to the trope.
@87- I agree, the options are not necessary. I think that if a troper sees Missing Supertrope Syndrome, they should grab the misuse from the page and make a ykttw. If you notice, I made that argument on the previous page. The response while I was away indicated to me that a few tropers think it must be determined here in TRS. Thank you for agreeing with me. In a few days there should be clear action that makes everyone here happy, not just the posters in favour of a rename.
Then force them to convince you of it, don't add an option you yourself think is redundant because of "popular interest", especially if you were away and thus unable to restate your argument at the time.
Whatever happens, I just hope you can find some way to preserve Yahtzee's dissection outside of a Quotes page.
I'm for "Saves the day", but with the image of "Wins The War". Kind of like a hybrid trope instead of DESTROYING ONE TROPE FOR THE SAKE OF ANOTHER.
FWIW, regarding North Korean propaganda... Ever since the armistice that put the Korean War on hold (it technically never ended), the NK government had denied all claims and evidence that China or the USSR ever had any role in the war (even in indirect ways like smuggling supplies), instead claiming that it was all the work of the KPA alone — when the facts make it clear that it was the PRC's supposedly "all-volunteer" intervention force that prevented North Korea from becoming, as UsefulNotes.The Korean War's Blatant Lies entry puts it, "a historical footnote".
And BTW, I'm seeing a glitch in the crowner system: When I change votes, the display still shows that I've voted the first way (downvote) — but when I click on the upvote button, it says that I've already upvoted that option. The vote result reflects my upvoting, incidentally. Weird.
Alternative Titles: America Wins The War
23rd Sep '13 7:21:24 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.